FFXIV Housing = UNBELIEVABLY INFURIATING!

[Toxin_Polaris]

And what have I ignored exactly? How you think a lottery system is more fair even though people already hate the RNG aspect. If you want a lengthy reply, write a lengthy post. Housing was never meant to be accessible to every player, get off your cloud.

Okay i will humor you even if you clearly show massive sings of beeing a troll.

Lottery would change the RNG insofar that people would skip an absolute useless timesink, again putting time and effort into geting the requierd Gil is for many people a big enought timesink as it is. Is that the best solution? No! Is it a better way to handle the Situation for now? Yes!

As for the Gil yes 3-4 Million is not much for many players espacialy people that are active for years on end now, but it is still much for people that play more casually/ don´t enjoy the crafting or can´t for what reason whatsoever run worthwhile farming contend (graveyard shifts or changing shifts that make a static impossible for example)you permanently arguee that those people are to be excluded from a form of contend they might actually enjoy.
On that note also remember that just getting a house would not furnish the whole place in one go so rising the Gil cost even more.

As for it was never ment for every player to be accessible. Yes that might be true and i can´t recall ever saying that it should be, i arguee that it should not exclude people that are intereset in it but can´t reach it because of time constrictions something you and others obviously tend to ignore

....It doesn't matter if you named me or not since you're throwing all the multiple house owners in the same basket. Even though our motives might differ, we can find common grounds when it comes down to defending them. My FC or anyone else have put in the effort to acquire them while other players didn't. If we are preventing other players from acquiring a house, then every personal house owner out there that doesn't have tenants is inherently preventing other players from having a shot at housing. Every personal house owner, even with tenants, is inherently preventing houseless rank 6 FCs with more than 4 members from having a shot at housing.

Seriously everything you post in this Forum on this Topic only screams Gatekeeping for whatever screwed reason you might have. Are you that afraid of other People enjoying this contend does it hurt you in any way that others might want to check out the Housing contend without sinking weeks into it? Housing is imho the only thing that actually enables Gatekeeping in any form with maybe Savage contend to an extend

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Cute, but I would urge you to demonstrate more introspection before playing on this field.

The ward system has been in place for nearly 6 years. You have to be out of your mind to even think about SE scrapping the concept or even divert from it. Regardless, who are you to say that everyone should be able to own a house? Ever since it was released, housing was supposed to be something challenging to acquire. Your opinion on the matter is at the complete opposite of what SE's has been saying.

Your little scenario would make sense if house prices were within gil cap range. But they aren't... talk about an embarrassing flaw... Houses are a fraction of what they used to cost and basically every player is "wealthy" enough, despite remaining dirt poor, to purchase one. Raising the prices up significantly would effectively prevent all those poor players to flood any given plot that comes up. Effectively making it so that the bulk of these players would either have to acquire more gil or wait it out. Either way, widening the gap would greatly alleviate the issues we are currently facing.

Apartments are perfectly fine as they are, especially since they are permanent and do not require to be entered withing a certain period of time. Let's not forget that they are bigger than small houses, excluding the yard, when 2.1 was released. If you want to profit from gardening, just do like every smart player and purchase someone's FC house. It's easy and you get the money back fairly quickly. If SE wants to expand on them by adding additional fees, great. The more money gets taken out of the game the better.

It doesn't matter if you named me or not since you're throwing all the multiple house owners in the same basket. Even though our motives might differ, we can find common grounds when it comes down to defending them. My FC or anyone else have put in the effort to acquire them while other players didn't. If we are preventing other players from acquiring a house, then every personal house owner out there that doesn't have tenants is inherently preventing other players from having a shot at housing. Every personal house owner, even with tenants, is inherently preventing houseless rank 6 FCs with more than 4 members from having a shot at housing.

Using your logic, a whole lot of players shouldn't be allowed to speak on the housing issues. It might even rule yourself out

I'm not sure I understand what "field" you think we're "playing on". I am merely stating that I disagree with your proposed solution and that I personally don't feel that someone hogging multiple houses should be weighing in on the housing issue. I will concede that my personal feelings on multiple house owners doesn't actually deny them the right to speak about it. Your "solution" is merely to gatekeep housing, and regardless of SE's original intent, it's clear that more players than SE anticipated WANT to engage in the player housing system.

I never said anything about scrapping the ward system, I was actually agreeing with you when I said that continuously adding more wards is untenable. At least with the way wards currently work. SE could very well make changes that allow adding all the wards they want for all I know.

Apartments are nice... but they don't offer the full range of amenities that a house does nor can FC's purchase one. If those two issues were addressed then apartments could serve well enough for those who cannot snag an outdoor house. People would still try to get an outdoor house for bragging rights, but they wouldn't be arbitrarily locked out of things like gardening and the workshop stuff if apartments provided those features.

[Besame]

I oppose this with every fiber of my being. I've seen instanced housing from Runescape and SWTOR and they were awful. No one ever visited my house in those games and I almost never had any interest of visiting anyone else's house in the game. When the house exists isolated in an instance then you never feel a part of the community.

Generally speaking, nobody is going to visit your house in the neighborhood either so what does it matter if it's instanced or not. I had 5 fortresses in SWtOR and got more visitors with their search boards.

[Edax]

Generally speaking, nobody is going to visit your house in the neighborhood either so what does it matter if it's instanced or not.

But they do. And it does matter.

[MaybeOliverB]

I'm not sure I understand what "field" you think we're "playing on". I am merely stating that I disagree with your proposed solution and that I personally don't feel that someone hogging multiple houses should be weighing in on the housing issue. I will concede that my personal feelings on multiple house owners doesn't actually deny them the right to speak about it. Your "solution" is merely to gatekeep housing, and regardless of SE's original intent, it's clear that more players than SE anticipated WANT to engage in the player housing system.

I never said anything about scrapping the ward system, I was actually agreeing with you when I said that continuously adding more wards is untenable. At least with the way wards currently work. SE could very well make changes that allow adding all the wards they want for all I know.

Apartments are nice... but they don't offer the full range of amenities that a house does nor can FC's purchase one. If those two issues were addressed then apartments could serve well enough for those who cannot snag an outdoor house. People would still try to get an outdoor house for bragging rights, but they wouldn't be arbitrarily locked out of things like gardening and the workshop stuff if apartments provided those features.

You can believe what you want. If it can reassure you, we believe our opinion matters more than yours based on the real estate we own. But we don't care about opinions. We're here to challenge players who are on an emotionally based crusade against players like ourselves and those who feel entitled to own a house when it was never meant to be accessible to all.

I'm aware that we agreed that wards aren't gonna be replaced. I was merely stating that getting rid of them is impossible at this point and based on the decisions taken in the past 5 years, SE is not gonna come up with a dual system.

I've said it before, if someone or an FC desires to have access to gardening, they can purchase an FC house from another player. The purpose of apartments was to provide basic housing need and unless expanded, should remain so. There's really nothing to complain about the current situation when it comes to accessibility when there's nearly 10 times more plots per server than on release. Not to mention the ludicrously low prices.

[Besame]

But they do. And it does matter.

To you, however, most of us live in ghost towns.

[MaybeOliverB]

Okay i will humor you even if you clearly show massive sings of beeing a troll.

Lottery would change the RNG insofar that people would skip an absolute useless timesink, again putting time and effort into geting the requierd Gil is for many people a big enought timesink as it is. Is that the best solution? No! Is it a better way to handle the Situation for now? Yes!

As for the Gil yes 3-4 Million is not much for many players espacialy people that are active for years on end now, but it is still much for people that play more casually/ don´t enjoy the crafting or can´t for what reason whatsoever run worthwhile farming contend (graveyard shifts or changing shifts that make a static impossible for example)you permanently arguee that those people are to be excluded from a form of contend they might actually enjoy.
On that note also remember that just getting a house would not furnish the whole place in one go so rising the Gil cost even more.

As for it was never ment for every player to be accessible. Yes that might be true and i can´t recall ever saying that it should be, i arguee that it should not exclude people that are intereset in it but can´t reach it because of time constrictions something you and others obviously tend to ignore



Seriously everything you post in this Forum on this Topic only screams Gatekeeping for whatever screwed reason you might have. Are you that afraid of other People enjoying this contend does it hurt you in any way that others might want to check out the Housing contend without sinking weeks into it? Housing is imho the only thing that actually enables Gatekeeping in any form with maybe Savage contend to an extend

How is your suggestion any better? If anything, there would be more competition because no one would need to put in any sort of effort. So yeah, if your goal is to upset even more players, keep on promoting your idea. If it isn't, then you're just oblivious.

How is 3-4M not a lot. A new player will have almost 1.5M by the time they complete ARR. Given how much gil is around right now and the rewards from the 3 following expansions, anyone who has picked up this game recently can afford a house. Your vision of gil making is incredibly narrow and short-sighted as you absolutely do not need to rely on crafting or farm content to acquire a few millions. This isn't 2.0 when gil was scarce outside of legacy servers.

I don't think players who are so lazy about this game and can barely come up with a few millions, despite that the game is throwing money at them, should be in a position to have a shot at housing when there are plenty of players who deserve it more than them based on effort alone.

You want the POTD mount? You grind.
You want Savage gear? You grind.
You want to level all the classes? You grind.
You want to hit gil cap? You grind.
You want a house? You grind.

This is an MMO. You are supposed to be rewarded based on the time and effort you invested in the game. If the prices go up, there will be less competition. That means less time spent using either automation or manually clicking on a placard. Isn't that what you are asking for? Or am I mistaken and you would you rather have players spend most of their free time being miserable due to the low entry fees to housing when they could actually play the game and have a good time while acquiring gil to acquire a house...

[Bright-Flower]

I think the pricing on houses is fine. 3-5 mil is not 'that' much even for a casual if you put work into earning and saving gil for a while.

I am in support of a lottery system though. Pay into it, and either win the plot or be refunded if you lose.

I don't consider camping a plot for hours and hoping to be the first one to click it when it opens up as 'work' that is worth holding onto. It also removes the advantage people using auto clickers have. You can just pay into the lottery and go on actually playing the game.

[Almagnus1]

Here's several things that would definitely fix housing:

• Players cannot buy more than one personal house per account per server
• Players that are given until the next expansion to sell a house for it's full listing price
• Players that have more than one house per server will have all houses demolished except the one on the character with the most play time at the release of the next expansion, with the oldest char winning the tie
• All items can be removed from a house and stuck into storage without losing them
• Items expire at the housing reclamation NPC after a year
• FCs that are below the number of signatures needed to create the FC are deleted if they drop below that number for more than 30 days. An FC must maintain at least that many members for 30 days to reset the 30 day countdown timer.
• More instance housing options available to players
• Public gardens available in Gridania
• Public crafting workshop available from Garlond Ironworks (Revenant's Toll?)
• Public airship launch in Ishgard
• Public sub launch in Kugane.

IMO the biggest issue is that SE has created a situation where a handful of players can get most of the houses in a ward. This was fine with FFXIV was a lot smaller than it is now, but it's going to be a continual pain point as FFXIV grows as some players want to be in a public neighborhood, while others do not. IMO SE never should have allowed players to have more than one personal house per account per server, and SE DEFINITELY should not have had mechanics that are FC house only. The other issue related to housing are the existence of shell FCs (that is, an FC with less people than the number of signatures needed to create the FC) as SE should definitely not have allowed FCs to survive once they dropped below the number of signatures for any lengthy period of time.

Doubtless there are those that are opposed to changing this system, but it's something that needs changes especially since FFXIV has grown so much.

[TwistedTea]

Here's several things that would definitely fix housing:

• Players that have more than one house per server will have all houses demolished except the one on the character with the most play time at the release of the next expansion, with the oldest char winning the tie

Not gonna happen. Many of those players got their houses 'fairly' according to the rules in the past. At least SE seems to think so, since they grandfathered in those houses.

• FCs that are below the number of signatures needed to create the FC are deleted if they drop below that number for more than 30 days. An FC must maintain at least that many members for 30 days to reset the 30 day countdown timer.

A hard no from me, to this suggestion. Many of us are in solo/duo/three person FCs because we don't want to deal with the drama of being in a larger FC. Of course this leads to:

• Public gardens available in Gridania
• Public crafting workshop available from Garlond Ironworks (Revenant's Toll?)
• Public airship launch in Ishgard
• Public sub launch in Kugane.

SE did not have the foresight not to tie these features to housing/FC housing and partly, why we are in this mess right now.

• More instance housing options available to players

Yes, please. With gardening/FC features. Also people who own houses in current housing wards should not be allowed to own instanced housing as well.