SE needs to do more to help bad players

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

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Your never gonna quell all Trolls or every bad egg in ANY community or Fandom. Its impossible, diversity is a thing.
The Minority of people who call the Devs Transphobic, a few who sent Death Threats, etc... represent the smallest margin of the people who play this game. And using them as examples of a Whole playerbase is unfair to the larger Majority of people who don't Condone or participate in such things.

[Alucard135]

So because WoW people do it that makes it okay? Not following the logic.

Plus I talk crap on WoW constantly, it's an awful game and I don't understand how it ever got popular. I don't receive nearly as much hate as I do when I call this game a snooze fest after 3 weeks.

Also nice way to soften it up by going "Oh one troll..." it needs to be none, it's a freaking themepark MMO.

Playerbase calls the devs transphobic because gender locked races (something common in Asian mmos)
Playerbase sends death threats to two different streamers.
Player makes a thread asking for people to get banned because they're doing constant emotes around them.
Player made a threat showing someone telling him to "kill himself" because he gave tips on how to properly tank in a nice way.
Streamer trash talks healer, then kicks him because the healer used holy and then gets support from the rest of the playerbase.

Most of this was all in like the last week or two?

GCBTW

Did you just invent your own sampling method?

[Nims]

Your never gonna quell all Trolls or every bad egg in ANY community or Fandom. Its impossible

I get that and that's not my argument. Sending death threats is a step beyond trolling imo and it's not acceptable.

A lot of people act as if this community is perfect, there's nothing wrong and is never toxic, "great community btw" when that's simply not true which is my point. I've played a lot of mmos, watched a lot of YT and streamers and ffxiv is the only playerbase that will actually attack people if you call the game bad.

Again to clarify because I know people are going to willingly play dumb. No one is saying every single person in the playerbase is doing this but to act like this playerbase isn't toxic is wrong.

Did you just invent your own sampling method?

No...those are called examples.

Edit: To help people follow this topic cause I can see they're not going to.

Originally the "MUH COOL ANIMATIONS" Sam was trying to use how nice this community is as some type of point and that we should deal with bad people or else this won't be a nice community any more. My point is this community is just as toxic as any other, just in a different way(don't criticize the game, don't say the lore is trash, don't use parsers, etc). I then gave examples, specifically, one of death threats. Someone else chimes in as if death threats never happens and then tries to go "Oh it's just a troll". Which still goes into the "this community is just as toxic" point.

[Hawklaser]

Myself, I know my limits and just don't have fun doing group content. If I've soloed most of the time having fun in my own way, and being forced to group to keep going with the story. I've been playing my fun way for so long, trying to do it a way I don't enjoy would just make me a worse dps .


But like I said I'm a bad example. I'm very laid back and accept things how they are. I don't think your views are wrong, I just accept things how they are and how people are. I got really no right to ask players to play better.

Asking for players to play better is pointless.

Asking for the game to be harder, will just end up wasting your time even more. It won't force players to play better.

Thank you. Maybe one day you will find a group or game that changes your mind about group content. Maybe if you go and level up the trusts later might find out like doing the dungeons more. You at least understand and respect where the other side of this argument is coming from.

Some others don't really get both sides.

In group play, you often do have the right to ask people to get better, as it usually all boils down to the weakest link. The group can only cover for the weakest link for so long.

Also a harder game does force people to play better, but that isn't always the correct solution to get a better player base. See Super Mario Maker Levels for examples.

Based on some of the things you said though, I do think you could potentially handle the group content if you ever started to find it fun and were willing to put in a little practice to break potential bad habits from soloing as you at least respect that everyone is sacrificing some fun in group content. A truly bad player doesn't respect that, and also would out right refuse to change for any reason.

[Makrar]

If you want every healer to dps during down time then the game needs to change to mandate that.

For example: The healing mana costs across the board are increased slightly and the single target casted DPS nukes RESTORE mana instead of costing mana = healers need to DPS during down time in order to manage their mana.

Unless the above happens, the majority of healers are just not going to DPS as nothing in the game tells you to play that way outside of the community.

[Cayalle]

There are people who like to learn, others have difficulty learning and there are more things I'm too lazy to put here. Of course so far no one is obliged to continue in a group that is failing, today I was Eden two and there were many mistakes, people started arguing against each other ... The group decided to break down and ended up there. I tried again with another group and it was alright. I think people's biggest problem is thinking that everyone is or should be like them. Following the line of thoughts of some I've read ... It would be like (Wrong on something ... Kicked.) This is bad.

I really liked the things of ffxiv just because nobody criticizes when they don't know something or forgot a mechanical x. I always found it really inviting. I only once had stress inside a dungeon, other than that I only met people who were receptive to learning. I think saying that people don't try to learn is an exaggeration.

[Kaethra]

Here's the best solution:

Remove Duty Finder.

Never again will you have to suffer grouping with someone you don't wish to.
Never again will you have to worry about healers not DPSing if you want them to.
Never again will you have to worry about DPS not AoEing when there is more than 3+ mobs.
Never again will you have to worry about people not learning mechanics.
Never again will you have to suffer the newbie that hadn't got the fight down.

You will get the perfect group, every time. Why? Because you pre selected it yourself.

Oh wait. We can already do that, by actually premaking our groups. Maybe you all ought to do that so you don't have so many of these issues. Player created problems have player created solutions. This is always true. And its true here.

[spf1200]

I think they have shown they have no interest in making players better. Dungeons are getting easier so are trials and raids. Even the final boss of ShB was super easy thanks to all the whining from Shin. I love this game but I do wish SE would make the MQ harder to force people to learn to play the game.

[Wavaryen]

I think they have shown they have no interest in making players better. Dungeons are getting easier so are trials and raids. Even the final boss of ShB was super easy thanks to all the whining from Shin. I love this game but I do wish SE would make the MQ harder to force people to learn to play the game.

If that was all it took to get players to play better. We would have it. All that would do is waste people time more :P.

I like how easy things are, but I would like people who want tough content to get it also. Just not in the MQ.

[Xtrasweettea]

Here's the best solution:

Remove Duty Finder.

Never again will you have to suffer grouping with someone you don't wish to.
Never again will you have to worry about healers not DPSing if you want them to.
Never again will you have to worry about DPS not AoEing when there is more than 3+ mobs.
Never again will you have to worry about people not learning mechanics.
Never again will you have to suffer the newbie that hadn't got the fight down.

You will get the perfect group, every time. Why? Because you pre selected it yourself.

Oh wait. We can already do that, by actually premaking our groups. Maybe you all ought to do that so you don't have so many of these issues. Player created problems have player created solutions. This is always true. And its true here.

I am all for that. Let's do it.

It will almost be like before the days of these cross sever team up dungeon finders. Only, instead of having to have a webpage or participate in a non-offical forum to give the illusion of "PF", FF14 actually has PF.

You know what came with those forms of party creation (game provided PF and using websites/forums)? Player created Blacklists. We don't bother to track people on Blacklists now because it isn't worth the effort with DF and DRs. Since the game does the work and makes the parties for me, there's no reason to try to Blacklist someone who doesn't exist to me after the event is done.

But, if I have to make my own group for everything and every-time, you bet I am making a blacklist and sharing it with my FC. I wouldn't be the only person doing it. This practice was done in FFXI and WoW.

So, there's the tradeoff: remove DR and lose the privileges that DR brings (anonymity), or go just PF and lose those privileges.