Please make Gunbreaker’s normal combo turn into the Gnashing Fang combo

[sexythaumaturge]

I wish I was on your server, or if I can see your hotbars and compare them to mine. I know you said you don't want loadout advice but I really do believe if I were able to show you my setup it'll help out alot. Truth be told I thought it was a bit much at first too but I set it up so you instantly see both combos and both of them are on the L2 chain. So you have the 1,2,3 combo on Triangle circle and X with the start of the rush combo on Square. Then you switch over to the D-pad setting them in order. I think that might help with putting the second combo on a set path without worrying about space. I'm not too keen on marcos so I can't offer any advice on that persay. Komari is a better person to offer that kind of advice. Have you tested her marco if so mind telling me your results?
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At the moment, my setup is that Gnashing Fang is on R2 + Triangle (upper face button on PS4). When it lights up, i hit it, then hold L2 to reveal a hidden R2+L2 crossbar, where I do the rest of the Continuation combo. I have to hold R2+L2 for the remainder of the combo, which I hate, but the double-tap thing is not an option for this combo, as it's way too frequent for that to be comfortable. The double tap serves me well for other, less frequent skills on both Gunbreaker and other classes.

I don't want to put the Continuation combo on L2 + face buttons, that would mess up my muscle memory on other tanks that don't have a whole additional 4-button combo.

Finally, I don't want to use the single-button macro, since I'm losing DPS that way.


So the bottom line is, while the current R2+L2 setup works, it's not comfortable, the whole point of the thread. If this was used less frequently it would have been, but they're making us go through this combo every 20 seconds.

[Rakshazi]

At the moment, my setup is that Gnashing Fang is on R2 + Triangle (upper face button on PS4). When it lights up, i hit it, then hold L2 to reveal a hidden R2+L2 crossbar, where I do the rest of the Continuation combo. I have to hold R2+L2 for the remainder of the combo, which I hate, but the double-tap thing is not an option for this combo, as it's way too frequent for that to be comfortable. The double tap serves me well for other, less frequent skills on both Gunbreaker and other classes.

I don't want to put the Continuation combo on L2 + face buttons, that would mess up my muscle memory on other tanks that don't have a whole additional 4-button combo.

Finally, I don't want to use the single-button macro, since I'm losing DPS that way.


So the bottom line is, while the current R2+L2 setup works, it's not comfortable, the whole point of the thread. If this was used less frequently it would have been, but they're making us go through this combo every 20 seconds.

X-box controller. I think I will make some screenshots of my loadout to you, so you could see how to make it fine'n 'fancy.

[Komarimono]

I guess thats the difference right? I wonder how that feels in content as I'm guessing you tested for that too. I mean I don't see much of an issue as the 6 hit combo is only up for what 60 secs after each use right? I think it's a min CD. I'm not ingame to check. And since it's made in such a way that it can only go one way it seems marcos don't hurt it like it would monk or drg.

In dungeons it's honestly hard to test. I'm looking at mobs, threat bars, and my party members locations. On Bosses, looking at boss cast bar, party locations, so can plan ahead. I know when the skill goes off, from my animation of them, not looking at my skill bar. Sounds weird, I know lol.



Ignoring I have Gnashing/Savage/wicked on there twice, only three are keybound, and swap them around when testing, that's how my layout looks, out of the way at the bottom so can pay attention around me, but still there to quickly glance at cooldown timers.

But like I said, tiny hands, so a tight grouping of Keybinds. 1-5, Shift+1-5, QEFCRT, Shift+QEFCRT, Z, X, Alt+1-3, M3 M4 M5, Shift+M3 M4 M5. Dat be a lot of keybinds, and yes I still have Continuation bound since I'm still testing. Thus far I've noticed it heavily depends on player latency, and doing a traceroute to 184.107.107.176(NA Dataserver) results in a 29-37ms ping.

Testing so far, in a vacuum setting of just standing still and hitting a dummy, Macro'd version is 1-2 seconds slower in a 5 minute rotation. But again, this is in a vacuum, perfect scenario of constant damage. It's cost me a total of 19-41 DPS tracked via uh... methods... So I was wrong on DPS increase, just got lucky on crits in that test. But I feel it's not a bad DPS loss, when taking in the averages, for a tank at least.

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At the moment, my setup is that Gnashing Fang is on R2 + Triangle (upper face button on PS4). When it lights up, i hit it, then hold L2 to reveal a hidden R2+L2 crossbar, where I do the rest of the Continuation combo. I have to hold R2+L2 for the remainder of the combo, which I hate, but the double-tap thing is not an option for this combo, as it's way too frequent for that to be comfortable. The double tap serves me well for other, less frequent skills on both Gunbreaker and other classes.

I don't want to put the Continuation combo on L2 + face buttons, that would mess up my muscle memory on other tanks that don't have a whole additional 4-button combo.

Finally, I don't want to use the single-button macro, since I'm losing DPS that way.


So the bottom line is, while the current R2+L2 setup works, it's not comfortable, the whole point of the thread. If this was used less frequently it would have been, but they're making us go through this combo every 20 seconds.

I see... that presents a tiny issue from what I read and does provide much needed context atleast. While I disagree with condensing the combo itselt tho with that setup it would be abit much, it's why I did put it on the face buttons. I honestly think it works better as a L2 face button since it's pretty much a second main combo so it should be in front. Sadly the best answer is to try putting it infront, I understand relearning skills and memory sucks but once you learn it it's there. I'm a monk main, my entire rotation was bucked after shadows so I had no choice but to relearn memory. I will post a video so hopefully it'll provide abit of context. But yeah, at the end of the day the best answer I can give is you might have to adjust, we all had too at shadows and it's just part of the game. Gunbreaker isn't like the other 3 tanks and plays more like a melee so it has abit more combos to use.

https://youtu.be/f-HZuqUfgr0

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In dungeons it's honestly hard to test. I'm looking at mobs, threat bars, and my party members locations. On Bosses, looking at boss cast bar, party locations, so can plan ahead. I know when the skill goes off, from my animation of them, not looking at my skill bar. Sounds weird, I know lol.



Ignoring I have Gnashing/Savage/wicked on there twice, only three are keybound, and swap them around when testing, that's how my layout looks, out of the way at the bottom so can pay attention around me, but still there to quickly glance at cooldown timers.

But like I said, tiny hands, so a tight grouping of Keybinds. 1-5, Shift+1-5, QEFCRT, Shift+QEFCRT, Z, X, Alt+1-3, M3 M4 M5, Shift+M3 M4 M5. Dat be a lot of keybinds, and yes I still have Continuation bound since I'm still testing. Thus far I've noticed it heavily depends on player latency, and doing a traceroute to 184.107.107.176(NA Dataserver) results in a 29-37ms ping.

Testing so far, in a vacuum setting of just standing still and hitting a dummy, Macro'd version is 1-2 seconds slower in a 5 minute rotation. But again, this is in a vacuum, perfect scenario of constant damage. It's cost me a total of 19-41 DPS tracked via uh... methods... So I was wrong on DPS increase, just got lucky on crits in that test. But I feel it's not a bad DPS loss, when taking in the averages, for a tank at least.

ooooh You're using the KB. I thought you where using a controller. That shows abit of context I was lacking :O.

[Komarimono]

ooooh You're using the KB. I thought you where using a controller. That shows abit of context I was lacking :O.

Alas, controllers unless third party are big in my hands. Why I've not done console gaming since PS2 era >_<

But fitting all these keybinds on a controller would be a pain to me. I gotta give props to controller users, I'd go nuts not having everything clearly visible in a small out of place location. Also, back to no macro again. For dungeons atm, wee more testing.

[KanameYuuki]

While I don't agree to have usual turn to gnashing combo, I would love if we could have gnashing work like continuation, just a button that changes, I need those two extra buttons for my usual tank layout.

[sexythaumaturge]

While I don't agree to have usual turn to gnashing combo, I would love if we could have gnashing work like continuation, just a button that changes, I need those two extra buttons for my usual tank layout.

So you're suggesting condensing the combo to one general combo button + Continuation, for two buttons in total... I could see that working.

[Memento]

I have the whole continuation combo on double tap R2. The “ 1 2 3 “ portion is on Circle, Triangle and Square with Continuation on X. So when the combo is ready I double tap R2 and Circle X, Triangle X and Square X. It works for me because my regular combo is set to single tap R2 Circle, Triangle Square.

[KanameYuuki]

So you're suggesting condensing the combo to one general combo button + Continuation, for two buttons in total... I could see that working.

Exactly, there is no reason for than combo to be more than one button, at least with regular combos you can mess up pressing by mistake out of order or something, that one just jumps from one to the other turning the other 2 off.