SE needs to do more to help bad players

[Sylve]

That's been done before. I think any group that has had a healer drop in DR Expert has experienced it. Heck, I have.

Back when Hell's Lid was part of Expert, and my first time in that dungeon, we did it. I was RDM with a DRK and MNK. The Healer DCd. So we did single pack pulls from the first boss to the final boss. New healer spawned by the time we got to the final boss. I was able to heal and DPS as RDM. Other than Erase, RDM only has GCD heals. We still managed to get through it in 20 minutes.

It's completely doable if the group adjusts.

inb4: "well you were RDM" or "doesn't count since that is an older story/not current expansion". For the first one, you didn't specify which tanks and which DPS. So RDM and PLD are on the table. Second, you didn't state which expansion this had to occur in.

Good job on illustrating my point.
First, that someone in the party was required to Heal in some capacity. In this case, you on your RDM. Every outgoing heal you had slowed the run down.
Second, you were reduced to a single pull only snail pace.

Now recreate that scenario in your head, but answer me this: How far would you have gotten if you hadn't taken over the role of Healer?

And to make sure you understand what I'm saying, The entire point of the challenge was to demonstrate that a Healer in the party contributes to the success and speed of the run without ever casting a damage dealing spell.

[Nims]

Also you assume a ton about me, and that is fine.

I'm going off what you literally said, that's not assuming anything.

Is that the community that you want?

For me, personally? Yes. I come from open world pvp mmos with a way more hostile community and I thrive in that setting...so yes. I do want a community that calls out bad players that won't use a skill because they don't like the animation.

I won't let your anger ruin my fun.

But you're ok with your "playstyle" ruining other people's fun? Why is that acceptable?

Look, this game praises itself for having such a great and caring community. Crying about when people play bad, or blaming them for dungeons being too easy. Trying to punish them for being bad. That brings down the community, this heavily push for parsing and "bads". It is all just white noise for what the community is.

Only white knights praise this community, others don't care and the rest sees this community for what it is. People that literally send death threatens if you criticize the game.

Tools for you to use to build your own groups and lets you have control over that group.


You want convenience of fast group making, and having decent groups all the time. You can't have both.

You want people to use tools to avoid you but you don't want to use tools to simply play your class properly? Are you even comprehending what you're saying? Also I hate party finders and prefer to make parties on my own. However if I make a party and people like you join, I still have to do deal with you.

It's absurd because you know what your issue is, you simply don't want to use skills you don't like (What?) and expect other people to move around your inability to play.

You are going through some serious extremes here. Being bad does not equal they are not trying.

Except it does, I mean look at you for example...

[Hawklaser]

Lots of pages, but I'm just going to put my two cents on this subject as a baddie .

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Myself, I just play have fun. If I don't like skills a class has, I don't care if it is better dps or not. I won't use them. If a aoe rotation is clunky, I just won't use it. That is me, and noone pays for my account and has no right to tell me to do it unless I am doing content that is not forced on me to keep on with the story.

Also does this game not have tools for you to get around this problem?

As long as you are in solo content I don't care how you play. However you have to take responsibility for your choice to actively avoid using skills you do not like for whatever reason, most likely resulting in below intended requirements and/or expectations for group content. This means you either you use those skills in a randon group setting, you use the trust system, or you create a premade and explain to the members you will not be doing x, y, or z.

If you choose to use the random duty finder tool, you also made the choice to give up a portion of your fun in the intetest of a quicker party for group content, which is meant to be done cooperatively. While any 1 other person in the group does not pay your sub you also do not pay the rest of the groups subs. If your choices have impacted the group enough that one person felt the need to speak out in the party, odds are more people in the party felt the same way.

[Wavaryen]

As long as you are in solo content I don't care how you play. However you have to take responsibility for your choice to actively avoid using skills you do not like for whatever reason, most likely resulting in below intended requirements and/or expectations for group content. This means you either you use those skills in a randon group setting, you use the trust system, or you create a premade and explain to the members you will not be doing x, y, or z.

If you choose to use the random duty finder tool, you also made the choice to give up a portion of your fun in the intetest of a quicker party for group content, which is meant to be done cooperatively. While any 1 other person in the group does not pay your sub you also do not pay the rest of the groups subs. If your choices have impacted the group enough that one person felt the need to speak out in the party, odds are more people in the party felt the same way.

I mean if the game forces me to group with you all to keep doing the story. You can blame the game for that, I don't group unless I got to do it

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Geez...whats happening to FFXIV?...
Scottzone gets banned, and now Im seeing people dictate how they can play a video game....whats happening to my Community ;_;

[Wavaryen]

I'm going off what you literally said, that's not assuming anything.

Ok cool!

For me, personally? Yes. I come from open world pvp mmos with a way more hostile community and I thrive in that setting...so yes. I do want a community that calls out bad players that won't use a skill because they don't like the animation.

That is fine, but that is not what this mmo was about, and if it leans toward that. This game can no longer say it has the best community.

But you're ok with your "playstyle" ruining other people's fun? Why is that acceptable?

I mean you can turn that around. Here is the thing, one of us fun going to get ruined. Lucky for me it is not mine.

Only white knights praise this community, others don't care and the rest sees this community for what it is. People that literally send death threatens if you criticize the game.

Seems like this community already changed for the worse. *sighs* this is kinda why I wish wow would have stayed a decent game.

You want people to use tools to avoid you but you don't want to use tools to simply play your class properly? Are you even comprehending what you're saying? Also I hate party finders and prefer to make parties on my own. However if I make a party and people like you join, I still have to do deal with you.

It's absurd because you know what your issue is, you simply don't want to use skills you don't like (What?) and expect other people to move around your inability to play.


Except it does, I mean look at you for example...

I mean just add people to friends that you know are good and build up a team.


I'm just stating this simple fact. People won't get good, and don't care if they get called out. Making the game harder will just waste more of your time. That is it.

[Wavaryen]

Geez...whats happening to FFXIV?...
Scottzone gets banned, and now Im seeing people dictate how they can play a video game....whats happening to my Community ;_;

Lucky for us it is a small minority of people, they are just very loud.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Lucky for us it is a small minority of people, they are just very loud.

Well I hope this Minority Fixes itself before it grows into an even bigger issue.
Lambasting and not helping Bad Players is worse then matching up with a bad player.

[Hash_Browns]

Myself, I just play have fun. If I don't like skills a class has, I don't care if it is better dps or not. I won't use them. If a aoe rotation is clunky, I just won't use it. That is me, and noone pays for my account and has no right to tell me to do it unless I am doing content that is not forced on me to keep on with the story.

Are you giving us the "You don't pay my sub" response?!

Also does this game not have tools for you to get around this problem? Make friends with people and make your own groups like in the old days? I might be old fashion in thinking this, but the convenience of push to play content comes at the cost of quality control of the players. So even I can't blame the bad players like myself too much.

Ya know, this is the stupid part. I try to do this.
Try to make groups in the PF.
Try not to have to kick people.

But every time I make a group, some lazy smuck who doesn't know anything about the fight, and was carried a clear comes in anyways & tries to "farm" the boss & carries the who party down.

[Nims]

Ok cool!

I mean...you asked....

That is fine, but that is not what this mmo was about, and if it leans toward that. This game can no longer say it has the best community.

The game technically doesn't say it has the best community, part of the playerbase says that. And I personally don't care how the community is, not sure why you're trying to use this as a point. Thinking "Oh the community is so nice so I can play like absolute garbage and it's ok" is not ok. This is also why I'm for parsers, in a community where people call other people out, this way of thinking isn't broadcast openly.

I mean you can turn that around. Here is the thing, one of us fun going to get ruined. Lucky for me it is not mine.

No you can't turn that around, I'm not going out of my way to make things worse for other people. So again...why is it acceptable for you to ruin other people's fun? Why is it acceptable for you to make things take drastically longer than they should? Not because you're new, not because you don't know the mechanics or are practing the mechanics but simply because you want to make things go worse?

Seems like this community already changed for the worse. *sighs* this is kinda why I wish wow would have stayed a decent game.

Um, no? This community needs to take responsibility for it's own actions. The person that got the death threat was an old WoW player that actually likes this game more than WoW now. The person that made the threat was a long time FFXIV player....

I mean just add people to friends that you know are good and build up a team.


I'm just stating this simple fact. People won't get good, and don't care if they get called out. Making the game harder will just waste more of your time. That is it.

So why don't you just build a team of people you know and only do dungeons with them? That way you all can press only the cool animations (of course you main samurai....). Making the game harder weeds out people like you and I'm totally okay with that.