Why are white mages allergic to regen?

[Gula]

Can't tell if title is bait or poor wording but I always want to slap a [some] in between those words because it's never all of a single group.

[Evanoel]

My gosh, and here I was thinking I was the only one noticing this trend.



My FC can vouch for my recent frustrated rantings of WHM cohealers who must've missed their Regen job quests. Ever since getting into the EX trials (on AST), most WHM cohealers I've come across treat their HoTs (especially Regen) like the plague and are more preoccupied spamming Glare while I'm sitting unnerved over in Noct stance wondering if they just expect me to exclusively keep the MT healthy so they can keep up their DPS rotation.

This behavior really blew up with the recent release of Eden to the point where I openly questioned if slapping Regen on the MT became some sort of "overhealing" and WHM's new meta was spam Glare and then use Assize for raid-wide damage and throw out Afflatuses on a whim and everything else is their cohealer's problem. I mean I can deal with that, but damn, have some decency to throw Regen on the MT before you start abusing your Glare button. Maybe I really shouldn't be in Noct Stance unless I get double AST?

The other day I got into Dun Scaith with a WHM as co healer and yeah I noticed that as well. The Medica II was not present most of the time and I had to cover all the raid damage with my Aspected Helios and Helios alone. It's so overwhelming especially when most of the teammates fail the mechanics there lmao

[Vahlnir]

Can we trade places?
Healers keep regening me as I'm pulling, and stealing my aggro.

lol

Yeah, I had a WHM do this in a dungeon last week. I was trying to pull multiple groups like most healers seem to prefer, WHMs especially, but they had to make my job harder apparently. It made it somewhat difficult to maintain order since I had to keep pulling an enemy or 2 off of either the healer or a random dps. Though I guess that's better than not being healed at all like another WHM I encountered, also last week. They barely healed and barely did any dps. They were very skilled at taking AoEs to the face, however.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

No reason to use Regen if I dont have to. I have better and more effective skills on my toolbar. Regen for me is only necessary if I need extra healing in tough or Long fights..like my first blind run of The Twinning.
Ill toss up a Medica 2 on occasions just to keep everyone healed while I focus MT, or try to add in some DPS.

[MOZZYSTAR]

Medica II/Helios spam is so annoying... So, I think I wouldn't mind them using Medica II more sparingly. xD When I played WHM (and AST), what I would do is Medica II if there was no regen/regen was about to run out (if it was needed) then pop a normal Medica for another burst heal to heal up the party quickly if I expect there to be more heavy incoming damage, like in a raid or trial, if HP went real low.

[SturmChurro]

In regards to medica 2 I use it combined with plenary indulgence (confession). I sometimes cast it, but I prefer to use swiftcast + medica 2. I use swiftcast on medica 2 expecting the dps to not die to mechanics.

[Risvertasashi]

Late as I am to this thread...

Optimal WHM play involves minimizing GCD heals. Regen is a GCD heal, thus you want to minimize it.

Now in the past sometimes you had to GCD heal and regen was the first choice, but it's not anymore. Using a lily heal means you effectively trade a 300 potency nuke for a 225 potency one, so it's a DPS loss, but less severe. So regen is much further back in line on heal priorities.

Saying stuff like regen should be always kept up is just flat out wrong. At least from an optimization standpoint. And SE shortening the duration of regen also makes its upkeep more annoying, even if you think it's worth the DPS sacrifice.

[OcieKo]

I don't think "put regen on me when I'm fighting, not pulling" is "micromanaging."

He's talking about timing the last tick so it doesn't bleed over into the next pull, bit easier now that the durations have been halved, but still.

Pretty sure I'm not alone in having troubles adjusting to the new Reduced Regen Durations and Increased Regen Potencies and Lucid Dreaming CD still.
Though my 80 healer is AST, so my choices are kindof poof... and usually Horoscope + Aspected Helios + Horoscope takes care of most AoEs in the raid atm. Even then, I think a good half of the regen is wasted.

[Orbus]

This is a problem?
Regen is a GCD, but its total healing potency per use is so high that it makes up for this by not immediately requiring you to blow all your OGCD's.
And while it would be nice if it was enough to get through all fights on the OGCD's alone, the average player.... is not what I would call "mechanically competent".
That 45 second cooldown on tetra doesn't seem so short when every fifteen seconds someone is eating a mechanic and getting a weakness stack.

Regen + Benison = Time to Holy. Seriously once the tank is done pulling (or sometimes appears to be then decides to move after two seconds for some reason) I throw those up and get to spamming my DPS.

Usually by the time the stuns wear off, the bubble pops, and the regen is over I have myself a lily to restore whatever hp might have been lost. Is it optimal, probably not, but nobody has ever asked me to stop so...*shrug*

Also this.

[Fynlar]

I love Medica 2 simply because of the greater AoE range it has. Great for helping to ensure it actually hits everyone. A lot of people don't seem to realize this aspect about it.

The condensing of its regen effect has been great too; it can now be more frequently used without wasting potency from overwriting the regen effect.