Samurai Meditation and Shoha

[SpeckledBurd]

How does it double the potency? I haven't had a fight other than Titania that I could actually use Shoha at any meaningful potency. In most other fights you can at best get 1-2 stacks before you have to move for mechanics, which means a 100-200 potency shoha, essentially worthless.

50 Sen= 2 Shintens for a full Meditation=640 potency. A 5 Stack Shoha is 500 potency on top of that. It's not exactly double, but it's still a sizeable boost on top of what you'd get from Meditate on its own.

[Xyr]

50 Sen= 2 Shintens for a full Meditation=640 potency. A 5 Stack Shoha is 500 potency on top of that. It's not exactly double, but it's still a sizeable boost on top of what you'd get from Meditate on its own.

You meant 50 Kenki? Again, not many fights can get a full 5 stack shoha, the only one so far is Titania. It takes 15 seconds to get that 50 Kenki, and you can't move or even turn your character during that 15s.

[wereotter]

You meant 50 Kenki? Again, not many fights can get a full 5 stack shoha, the only one so far is Titania. It takes 15 seconds to get that 50 Kenki, and you can't move or even turn your character during that 15s.

You can't move? You mean like how monks also can't move or turn your character while using Anatman to maintain greased lightning during that same type of phase? Yet samurai gets an extra attack and job resource while monks get to just not drop greased lightning....

I get that a lot of samurais are disappointed with this skill, but the complaints are seriously overblown when you look at the myriad other issues in this game and the bigger picture of how jobs play. You're being rewarded with an extra attack on top of the Kenki you're already generating for doing what you should have been doing all along during jump phases. If this is a complaint now, it just shows how few samurais were playing their job correctly when it comes to handling jump phases in boss fights. Meditate has been there as a skill since the job was introduced.

[Xyr]

You can't move? You mean like how monks also can't move or turn your character while using Anatman to maintain greased lightning during that same type of phase? Yet samurai gets an extra attack and job resource while monks get to just not drop greased lightning....

I get that a lot of samurais are disappointed with this skill, but the complaints are seriously overblown when you look at the myriad other issues in this game and the bigger picture of how jobs play. You're being rewarded with an extra attack on top of the Kenki you're already generating for doing what you should have been doing all along during jump phases. If this is a complaint now, it just shows how few samurais were playing their job correctly when it comes to handling jump phases in boss fights. Meditate has been there as a skill since the job was introduced.

If meditation stopped my my buffs from dropping, I would actually use it way more. 50 Kenki for 15 seconds is garbage compared to not getting buffs dropped, since keeping the buffs up for SAM is probably the most important thing. I would gladly exchange it with monks if that was the case.

And I love your logic, basically it's saying because monks have cancer, therefore SAM's HIV does not need to be treated.

[wereotter]

If meditation stopped my my buffs from dropping, I would actually use it way more. 50 Kenki for 15 seconds is garbage compared to not getting buffs dropped, since keeping the buffs up for SAM is probably the most important thing. I would gladly exchange it with monks if that was the case.

And I love your logic, basically it's saying because monks have cancer, therefore SAM's HIV does not need to be treated.

And as soon as monk can get back all its buffs in 4 GCDs without having to activate a skill on a two minute cooldown, I would agree with you there.

And I'm not using the logic you're accusing me of. I'm saying that samurai, and this skill, doesn't have the problem people are claiming it has. I'm saying Shoha isn't HIV as you're claiming, and is just a nice additional damage for doing what you already should have been doing while playing your job. Every job now has some only conditionally useful skill, this is yours. I would just say it's nice that yours does more for your rotation than many other jobs.

[Xyr]

And as soon as monk can get back all its buffs in 4 GCDs without having to activate a skill on a two minute cooldown, I would agree with you there.

And I'm not using the logic you're accusing me of. I'm saying that samurai, and this skill, doesn't have the problem people are claiming it has. I'm saying Shoha isn't HIV as you're claiming, and is just a nice additional damage for doing what you already should have been doing while playing your job. Every job now has some only conditionally useful skill, this is yours. I would just say it's nice that yours does more for your rotation than many other jobs.

It really doesn't do anything for our rotation, again, by your logic, monk's cancer needs to be treated before SAM's HIV. Secondly, almost all skills(other than defensive, healing, or mobility) are just a nice additional damage for what they are already doing, so by that logic no skill need to be fixed.

[SpeckledBurd]

It really doesn't do anything for our rotation, again, by your logic, monk's cancer needs to be treated before SAM's HIV. Secondly, almost all skills(other than defensive, healing, or mobility) are just a nice additional damage for what they are already doing, so by that logic no skill need to be fixed.

Calling Shoha HIV is acting like it's actively detrimental to the job when it's existence absolutely isn't. Not in the way Monks piles upon piles of overly situational nonsense is. Shoha is minorly lackluster, it's more like a papercut that in no way inconveniences the rest of the job. It's effective at what it does, which is giving you extra potency when you've had a considerable down phase, and if it had traded spots with Senei or Tsubame Gaeshi it probably wouldn't be seeing half of the complaints that it's getting.