Samurai Meditation and Shoha

[Xyr]

Really worthless skills it would honestly make no difference to the class if these skills were gotten rid of. At least make meditation allow you to move while using it or something, even then, med and shoha would be mediocre, not amazing.

[Miziliti]

I mean DNC's dance can do 1000 potency. Shoha is basically an insult to SAM.

[ImmortalTHOR]

Shoha imo is a poorly designed skill. 500 potency for 15 seconds of meditation (which, really, you're not going to get that much downtime hardly ever) is laughable. It should be retooled or replaced with something else. If retooled, it needs higher potency and to not be reliant on meditate. Perhaps make it dependent on sen consumption or iai usage.

I've been toying around with one that would make up for the loss of Hagakure that would maybe replace Shoha.

Kiai:
Consumes Sen to give you increased damage, skill speed, and crit dependent on the sen consumed.
Setsu- 5% Crit
Ka- 5% skill speed
Getsu- 5% damage

1m duration

I'm being a bit conservative on the increases there. I wouldn't mind seeing a flat 10% to each honestly. The duration could be played around with, but you get the gist of the skill.

[Wavaryen]

Ya, like I don't even have it on my bar. I refuse to use it. Don't care what others say. It breaks the flow of Sam.

[Remus]

When I can go through a whole dungeon not using a skill then you know its trash. Same with the Eden fights, hardly any downtime to use it so why is it even there. Replace this skill or make it so you can get stacks from Iaijutsu usage with midare etc. Sad part? It has the best animation and its given to a skill that's basically never used like why SE.

[wereotter]

Awww. You got one situationally useful skill I’m your toolkit? Let me play you the world’s smallest violin.

Monk’s entire toolkit these days is situationally useful skills.

[Carstien]

I mean DNC's dance can do 1000 potency. Shoha is basically an insult to SAM.

Comparing the dance to Shoha seems like cherry picking doesn't it? Wouldn't you compare it to Midare which can also do over 1000 potency?

Yes, you would, unless you wanted it to look bad.

[mb52139]

I suppose it wouldn't be as bad if it had potency to match its rare use. As of now its just so underwhelming to get the floppy noodle attack as your final level 80 skill.

@wereotter I'm sorry that your class has issues. I really am. But just because yours has similar or more issues, doesn't make the issues of others any less worthwhile discussing. I would suggest instead of trying to push the concern of others away as worthless, you turn around and look at your own issues and seek a solution.

[wereotter]

I suppose it wouldn't be as bad if it had potency to match its rare use. As of now its just so underwhelming to get the floppy noodle attack as your final level 80 skill.

@wereotter I'm sorry that your class has issues. I really am. But just because yours has similar or more issues, doesn't make the issues of others any less worthwhile discussing. I would suggest instead of trying to push the concern of others away as worthless, you turn around and look at your own issues and seek a solution.

No, I think that complaining that now you have something you have to do during jump phases and down time is a bit ironic considering how busy monk is and has been for the past 4-5 years during those phases. Monk has to do it's meditations to gain chakra stacks, form shift to get back into the right stance, now time out tornado kick/six sided star/find a safe spot for anatman/time out the usage of riddle of earth all while potentially still dodging mechanics.

Samurais have to hit meditate (something you should have been doing anyway) and now you get rewarded with a free attack when that's all over. This skill is situational, yes, but it's free potency. Lets not also forget that you're not just getting the 500 potency attack from Shoha when you meditate during a jump phase, but you're probably also getting at least one free Shinten out of the deal which means you're getting at least 820 potency from meditating, and again this is all just free damage you're gaining for doing nothing except finding a place to plop yourself and hitting one button. Forgive me for not having sympathy that you have to sit and do nothing during down time and get rewarded with extra damage when the fight starts back up again. This skill is a non-issue.

[Carstien]

Ya, like I don't even have it on my bar. I refuse to use it. Don't care what others say. It breaks the flow of Sam.

No it doesn't. You don't use it mid combat, you use it when there is nothing to hit so how is it breaking your 'flow' which is otherwise standing there doing nothing?