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  1. #181
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    Don't know why you're arguing about it. They're not going to add it in. At best you'll get options that you may think is a flirt but can be taken in multiple ways. Barring that one-off comment with Magnani if you're a female.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 07-23-2019 at 07:56 AM.

  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    Worked back then look at the generation now, whats your idea of doing things plopping them infront of a computer or cell phone letting social media raise them yeah hows that working out these days.

    cause I see nothing but bad things happening sorry if I do my job as a parent to keep a keen eye on things sorry but to me that's a great parent.

    anyways I think I am finished with this thread.

    for the record nothing against same sex stuff as long as I don't have to be involved.

    not up to me to choose what anyone does to make them happy in life if they are happy then who am I to get in the middle of that.

    take care bye bye then.
    For what it's worth there is a middle ground between Teletubbies and Saw that lets kids get introduced to ideas according to how their brains develop. Doesn't have to be either no Little Mermaid or throw them to the wilds of youtube lol.

    Given your sub date and level honestly my troll senses are tingling haha. If that's the case right on you got me. XD If not, might not be bad to look at what concepts children can handle at various ages then use that as an opportunity to talk to your kids.

    Seeya.
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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwenorai View Post
    Don't know why you're arguing about it. They're not going to add it in. At best you'll get options that you may think is a flirt but can be taken in multiple ways. Barring that one-off comment with Magnani if you're a female.
    What are you saying as if our character makes the suggestion rather than the Npc then I probably be fine with them because you as the character are making the suggestion.

    this way its up to you completely and doesn't break just for them it would be better than having a npc ask.
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  4. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    again the son thing is just a example it could be grown ups who have values like that and just see characters differently, then to make a suggestive romance man and man would change a persons perspective of that character which would ruin their experience even if they had to skip.

    and yeah actually it wouldn't hurt to put a little sensor option for stuff like that for a younger audience or are you against that? really would love to hear that answer from another grown adult because you put yourself in this situation and thus why this generation of kids do not listen to there parents.
    If someone is that sensitive about something going against their values, then that particular game is not for them.
    Everyone has values, personal views and preferences but if the experience is ruined simply by the option of something they can choose to ignore, then that's on them. That is an extremely sensitive reaction to something and while they can have their views and values, this sort of reaction should not be the benchmark for writing scenes and dialogues.

    Romance and violence of varying degrees have the right to exist in video games or any other medium. What you consume or not consume is solely up to you and if you notice that something about a game or other medium makes you so uncomfortable that the experience is ruined, my advice is to stop consuming it.
    Escpecially grown adults should be able to distinguish between their personal views and what is the general consens. The former is, wether you like it or not, of little if any consequences for a medium that is designed to be consumed by a vast amount of people. Grown adults should also be able to move on if they encounter something that they don't particulary like. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't have the right to exist. If you chose to stick to your personal values this strictly, that is your personal choice but not a benchmark for dialogue writing.
    We're not talking about hour-long, non-optional, non-skippable and explicit gay porn here.

    Is it within my right to dislike something? Absolutely.
    Are my feelings true though others feel different? Again, absolutely.
    Does that make my feelings a general truth and therefore worth catering to? No.

    Also to answer your question: I'm against filtering. I know that "but the children" is an argument that gets frequently used but teens also have the option of not consuming something and will generally stop doing it if they notice it's too much for them. If someone starts watching a horror movie and notices 20min in that they can't handle it, nobody forces them to continue watching it and they will most likely turn it off.
    Teens are not clueless, helpless little beings that need to have every decision taken away from them in order to protect them. They can do so themselves suprisingly well.
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  5. #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    and yeah actually it wouldn't hurt to put a little sensor option for stuff like that for a younger audience or are you against that? really would love to hear that answer from another grown adult because you put yourself in this situation and thus why this generation of kids do not listen to there parents.
    You know this game is Pegi 16, right? Young kids aren't really supposed to be playing this. Your character gets drugged, there is multiple occasions of NPCs heavily implying sexual assault or worse, there's NPCs that smoke and drink. There's even one in the MSQ that kills themself.
    Even if you censored these things, you can't censor the other players of this game. Children should not be playing this game if you want to shelter them.

    But hey, that being said, I played FF7 and FF8 when I was 6 years old besides being a little scared of some monsters (like the T-rexsaur in FF8, or that weird Tongue boss in the submarine in ff7), I'm not any worse for it, I already knew that stuff in games is not real, and any questions I had, my parents would answer them honestly.
    As for games exposing me to mature themes early?

    I already knew about sex and death from going up on a farm anyway, and I am pretty sure I grew up a well adjusted individual.
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  6. #186
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    You know this game is Pegi 16, right? Kids are not supposed to be playing this. Your character gets drugged, there is multiple occasions of NPCs heavily implying sexual assault or worse, there's NPCs that smoke and drink.
    Even if you censored these things, you can't censor the other players of this game. Children should not be playing this game. Period.
    Yes and technically 16 is still a kid. I understand fully.
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  7. #187
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    It's rated Teen in America, so 13 years of age. But I don't think it would easy to to add a censor option. All games are the responsibility of a parent or guardian, the ratings boards are just a guideline, hence squeaky voiced kids in games like Call of Duty who have yet to even hit puberty.

    So, not a game problem, but a parent/guardian problem.
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  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeonx View Post
    Yes and technically 16 is still a kid. I understand fully.
    You want to shelter a kid even at age 16? I don't think that's particularly healthy, if you shelter a kid for too long, they might not be able to deal with situations as an adult.

    considering the legal age of consent is 16 where I live, they really need to know everything about the topic before then.
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    Last edited by NessaWyvern; 07-23-2019 at 12:03 PM.

  9. #189
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    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    You want to shelter a kid even at age 16? I don't think that's particularly healthy, if you shelter a kid for too long, they might not be able to deal with situations as an adult.
    Not to mention teen television is going to show them much /much/ more than a simple flirt option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enla View Post
    Not to mention teen television is going to show them much /much/ more than a simple flirt option.
    Yeah, that's why my schools health class, not only taught people about safe sex, but also what was a healthy relationship, and signs of bad relationships to look out for, and to not be afraid to say no if you're in any way uncomfortable with the situation.
    You protect kids by educating them correctly, not leaving them in the dark.
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