Have Tanks been dumbed down to much?

[DemonicNeko]

I have to wonder if it just me or is are other feeling tanks have been dumbed down two much this expansion. We get our base combo which is what we used for 75% of the boss battle. Which every so often we can hit another ability. As all of our good dps ability have like 2 min cooldown.

When I go play dps I am finding my self having to use a lot of different ability all the time. Trying to push my dps to the max while avoiding aoe. I know it can look like I am saying I want tanks to be dps but I am more wanting more engaging gameplay. Not 123 and blackest night when a tank buster is about to come out. Yes I know I have a hand full of other ability I get to use here and there but for the most part. I am just playing the waiting game to use all these other abilities.

This is the same for Warrior and Gunbreaker. You have you have a 123 combo you are using 75% of the time. With you getting to use other ability here and there but waiting for ether cool down or to build up a meter to use the other abilities.

[Raldo]

I'd imagine a majority of people, myself included, would appreciate it if the tank jobs were more interesting to play. Most of the tanks are "push combo, get gauge" and "push button, spend gauge" which isn't particularly interesting.

With that said, I struggle to come up with any particularly good ideas. Between SE's desire for all the tanks to be relatively equal, and their desire to keep damage and defensive utility separate (see: WAR's DPS skills no longer double as a defensive cooldown), it's a rather daunting task.

While I don't miss the need to upkeep enmity specifically, I do miss having something else to keep an eye on.

[Juzjuzz]

It's the same as before minus the aggro combo imo. I hated using my aggro combo outsite of my opener because it was boring to do in stormblood (i was a drk main).
Gunbreaker already has 2 combos and sometimes has a lot of weaving to do (if you have a tankbuster while doing your continuation and having your dots to use). With gunbreaker i have already almost 3 full hotbars (https://imgur.com/pNzwRTP), it's perfect for me. Reducing the continuation combo cooldown would result in even more weaving, idk if it's a good idea.
For drk then yeah they can add some skills or 1 combo because right now it's the same thing other and other, theres no other combo or change of pace like gunbreaker.

[SgtPepperUK]

Not sure about dumbed down but definitely homogenised, to the point where I question why they even bothered adding Gunbreaker, or at least making it a tank.

[DemonicNeko]

I'd imagine a majority of people, myself included, would appreciate it if the tank jobs were more interesting to play. Most of the tanks are "push combo, get gauge" and "push button, spend gauge" which isn't particularly interesting.

With that said, I struggle to come up with any particularly good ideas. Between SE's desire for all the tanks to be relatively equal, and their desire to keep damage and defensive utility separate (see: WAR's DPS skills no longer double as a defensive cooldown), it's a rather daunting task.

While I don't miss the need to upkeep enmity specifically, I do miss having something else to keep an eye on.

I am totally with you. That how I feel all the tanks are. Use combo to build up gauge. Then spend that gauge on powerful abilities. Boring as all hell to play right now.

Not sure about dumbed down but definitely homogenised, to the point where I question why they even bothered adding Gunbreaker, or at least making it a tank.

It so true. They are homogenised to the point I really am feeling Dark Knight is just a crappier version of Warrior. With Blackest Night being our one unique and good skill that Warriors do not have. Everything else feels like a emo warrior.

It's the same as before minus the aggro combo imo. I hated using my aggro combo outsite of my opener because it was boring to do in stormblood (i was a drk main).
Gunbreaker already has 2 combos and sometimes has a lot of weaving to do (if you have a tankbuster while doing your continuation and having your dots to use). With gunbreaker i have already almost 3 full hotbars (https://imgur.com/pNzwRTP), it's perfect for me. Reducing the continuation combo cooldown would result in even more weaving, idk if it's a good idea.
For drk then yeah they can add some skills or 1 combo because right now it's the same thing other and other, theres no other combo or change of pace like gunbreaker.

Problem with that. I do not want to be pigeon hold into playing one class. As the other 3 classes are boring and reskins of Warrior. I really feel they need to do a MCH rework on both Paladin and Dark Knight. So they can stop being. Shield Warrior and Emo Warrior.

[DJMau]

Wouldn't say dumber down as much as streamlined.

[armandojc3]

Thing is they are not dedicated tanks anymore, they are a mix of TANK and DPS, doing both and having tools for both but dont feel like they specialize in either. Next expansion they will heal as well.

[Kyni]

I'd imagine a majority of people, myself included, would appreciate it if the tank jobs were more interesting to play. Most of the tanks are "push combo, get gauge" and "push button, spend gauge" which isn't particularly interesting.

With that said, I struggle to come up with any particularly good ideas. Between SE's desire for all the tanks to be relatively equal, and their desire to keep damage and defensive utility separate (see: WAR's DPS skills no longer double as a defensive cooldown), it's a rather daunting task.

While I don't miss the need to upkeep enmity specifically, I do miss having something else to keep an eye on.

Well now that enmity is handled by a dmg modifier, there really is nothing stoping them from just using dps mechanics ( with the exception of positionals^^). One tank could have a long gcd combo like DRG, another could work on a burn through resources and then recover state like BLM (PLD is actually somewhat close to that already) or give a tank a greased lightning like mechanic, the possibilites are nearly endless now.

Thing is they are not dedicated tanks anymore, they are a mix of TANK and DPS, doing both and having tools for both but dont feel like they specialize in either. Next expansion they will heal as well.

well PLD and to a lesser extend WAR are already healing, too^^

[Ardox]

What does too homogenised even means?

When you have a job of that role you need to be able to do the mechanics so you'll need similar toolkits. I just don't see how a tank would work without defensive cooldowns, ways to get enmity on a group of mobs, ways to get on top of aggro for swaps, ways to get enmity from a distance, etc..

So, what would even look balanced-and-non-homogenised tanks?

[Juzjuzz]

To the point where I question why they even bothered adding Gunbreaker, or at least making it a tank.

Another mele dps then? After samurai? Danm i am so happy to have gnb, without it i would be bored with drk or war.

Problem with that. I do not want to be pigeon hold into playing one class. As the other 3 classes are boring and reskins of Warrior. I really feel they need to do a MCH rework on both Paladin and Dark Knight. So they can stop being. Shield Warrior and Emo Warrior.

That's why i aggree with you for war, drk or pld. Drk is too much like war, they need to change that. Making delirium just like inner release wasnt a great idea, dark arts inside tbn is not realy fun either.

If they streamline the defensive cooldown it's ok, but the dps rotation need to be different for each tank.