The "Wow Refugee's" impact on the FFXIV Community?

[Xariann]

I am not sure what I think of threads like this one.

I have been a WOW player since late Vanilla. I was also in the beta for FFXIV and played since launch of 1.1.

I have been a hardcore raider in WOW, and a very casual one in FFXIV.

So what would you count me as? "WOW population?" "FF veteran?"

I have seen toxic people in both games. The main difference is that there are things FF guards against that WOW doesn't. Like certain mods that reduce you to a number.

Technically talking about DPS meters in game in FF can get you banned (or it could in the past). And don't get me wrong, I am very much in the mind of optimizing things, but I can almost guarantee that if certain mods were possible in FF XIV, the community would develop in a similar way. It's not just the DPS meters.

I have seen toxic FF players back in 1.1. It's not just a "feature" of WOW players. I remember the experienced FF player who was just trying to get his quick roulette in, laying into me because I DARED queue for a specific leveling dungeon he hated. From his point of view I "inflicted a shitty instance on players who just want to get their roulette done." That was someone who had played FF a lot, not WOW, and he was fed up with that particular instance.

However, here is something I did notice this expansion.

I have been grouping with a lot of people who have the novice icon. Just the leaves, so they are not returning players. They have never done the dungeon before because they say so, or the bonus message pops up. Obviously that's the first character they are leveling. Yet you see straight away that they either pick up the tactics, or somehow already know them (maybe they watched video guides), or they might get something wrong, but as far as playing their role in the party they are quite good. And really the people who watch guides are those who try to be at least decent and have been in the MMO world enough to figure out there are guides or to be in the mindset of watching them.

If they don't come from WOW, they might come from elsewhere, but the point is that you get more new, yet experienced players.

For a game to flourish you need to have an influx of players. If a game is good it will get one, so sitting here wondering about the impact of new people that played that one specific game you don't like is a little absurd. And a bit like trying to build a wall between the US and Mexico.

Let's not do this here and be the first one to be a decent human being. If you can't defuse a situation by being a decent person, it has nothing to do with WOW, but with the individual who just can't chill.

[HWalsh]

I'm unsure what you mean by hiding logs. The only logs i have are what other people uploaded, i don't use a parse and never will and even if i wanted to i play on PS4 so i can't.

You can add a tag to your character to auto-hide your logs. I did it the day I started playing the game.

[Zelent]

To be honest, I'm running into more friendly players than ever before this expansion.
I've definitely noticed an influx of sprouts, but they seem more experienced than usual.

Honestly, the more players this game has, the better. Even if they had negative attitudes, I would still welcome them.

[Alucard135]

I'm unsure what you mean by hiding logs. The only logs i have are what other people uploaded, i don't use a parse and never will and even if i wanted to i play on PS4 so i can't.

Hiding logs is when you go to the website and hide anything from actually being seen and you see a message that the user is hiding it. In your case, you're not hiding it. The content you don't have anything in are still shown as empty but not hidden.

[Vahlnir]

I will say there is one, and only one, difference I've seen between the two communities: XIV players sure do care a lot if you admit to liking WoW, usually in a negative way. But nobody who plays WoW cares if you like FFXIV.

Nobody on WoW forums is making threads obsessing over the impact XIV or the players of XIV has on their game. Nobody who plays WoW gets up in arms when an XIV player expresses interest in the game, yet for some reason here on these forums you get told to stay in WoW or go back to WoW as if we can't have these filthy WoW players clogging up our great game.

There are people here claiming they have hard, factual evidence that the community is worse, and yet I don't see it. Your stories don't count, and have you considered that there are a lot more people playing the game now, and therefore, a lot more chances to run into an ahole?

You hate WoW? Fine. But why treat WoW players like they're some kind of bogeyman? They are different games, people will enjoy different things about them, and some people won't enjoy them at all.

I agree with your post entirely, but I wanted to address one thing specifically:

To be honest, this has been my observation has well. Funny thing is, some FF XIV players look down on WoW players coming to this game...and yet in WoW and on the WoW forums themselves people have been saying "WoW sucks now, go play FF XIV" for years now. There have also been a relatively high number of posts in recent years of WoW players on the forums praising FF XIV and trying to get people to try it out.

[DrFlesh]

i actually think that ffxiv needs some toxicity to force the community to get better, i don't care what anyone says but naming and shaming works really well in a mmorpg

[Nixxe]

I will say there is one, and only one, difference I've seen between the two communities: XIV players sure do care a lot if you admit to liking WoW, usually in a negative way. But nobody who plays WoW cares if you like FFXIV. Of course, I will put in here that these are my own personal observations and so generally meaningless when it comes to proving anything.

You must have never actually visited the WoW forums then. People get incredibly bent out of shape if you ever mention FFXIV (or literally any other MMORPG that isn't WoW) in a positive fashion. It has been like that since the game came out.

[Rivxkobe]

random players stopping in and helping in the open world when they see you're about to die or you may have bitten off more than you can chew attacking a lvl 50 world boss as a lvl 35.....RIP

I do this a lot. If I see someone fighting a random trash mob in the overworld, or they accidentally pull it, or they are having a difficult time with a quest mob/hunt/FATE I'll stop by and either help them beat it, heal them up or pull it off them. Even if I'm in the middle of something else lol. I mainly do this because I know how frustrating it can be to die to something that's just slightly too strong, or that you didn't mean to aggro when low on health or that stops you from teleporting or mounting or dying on the last mob of a FATE or the Boss FATE you want to attempt but its just slightly out of your reach. When I go back to old ARR areas and I see low-level characters attempting their Hunt log and they are attempting their higher-level targets you know damn well I'm going to help because that's me.

I'm in no rush and its better to make the game feel more enjoyable and friendly then barren and individual. And if I get EXP out of it that's cool too.

[Vahlnir]

You must have never actually visited the WoW forums then. People get incredibly bent out of shape if you ever mention FFXIV (or literally any other MMORPG that isn't WoW) in a positive fashion. It has been like that since the game came out.

Some? Yeah. But you must not have visited them recently yourself.

[Nixxe]

Some? Yeah. But you must not have visited them recently yourself.

I quit before BfA and am done doing business with Blizzard, so sure. However, if you're going to try to tell me it wasn't an extremely common and consistent feature of the forums from BC through Legion though, I'm not going to entertain such nonsense. It certainly wasn't everyone, but it was a prevalent reaction in any thread that got more than a couple of responses and brought up another game in a positive context.