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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
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    Delirium: Now a Trait. Upon executing Quietus, Bloodspiller, or Soul Eater, Blood Weapon's duration is increased by 3 seconds.

    I had originally started a whole post about this alone, so here's the TLDR: Blood Weapon and Delirium individually aren't strong enough to be separate cooldowns. This change makes Blood Weapon stronger and adds a small amount of cohesiveness back to the Dark Knight's kit.
    That won't actually help as Dark Knight needs the current Delirium as it's 10s Burst DpS phase. Making Blood Weapon last longer won't allow them handle any adds that the Tanks are expected to burst down solo.

    The Paladin's (Requeiscat) Holy Spiritx4-> Confiteor, Warrior's (Inner Release)Fell Cleavex5, Gunbreaker's Burst Strike -> (Bloodfest)Continuation Combo ->Burst Strike and the Dark Knight's (Delirium) Bloodletterx5 are the tools that let all the takes handle certain types of challenges in content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    That won't actually help as Dark Knight needs the current Delirium as it's 10s Burst DpS phase. Making Blood Weapon last longer won't allow them handle any adds that the Tanks are expected to burst down solo.

    The Paladin's (Requeiscat) Holy Spiritx4-> Confiteor, Warrior's (Inner Release)Fell Cleavex5, Gunbreaker's Burst Strike -> (Bloodfest)Continuation Combo ->Burst Strike and the Dark Knight's (Delirium) Bloodletterx5 are the tools that let all the takes handle certain types of challenges in content.
    Can you list one creature that the tank is expected to solo in 10 seconds in current content?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Can you list one creature that the tank is expected to solo in 10 seconds in current content?
    No, but that specific mechanic existed in both Alexander and Omega Savage. Eden Savage could easily include such mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    No, but that specific mechanic existed in both Alexander and Omega Savage. Eden Savage could easily include such mechanics.
    The tank did not have to solo anything in omega savage in 10 seconds. The only reason to do so was to cheese the Phantom Train, and doing so was a detriment to your own personal performance. Not to mention, it was only the Warrior of the tanks who could manage it without extreme RNG from the Paladin / Dark Knight.

    Even so, you'd only have to stock up your MP reserves and Blood, and you can output more potency than the paladin will in their own window as well. Paladin is 3850 over 5 gcds. The Dark Knight can output 1650 just from Edge, with two bloodspillers and a combo that's 3980. Both of these ignore any additional OGCDs, but they shape up evenly enough there as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    Even so, you'd only have to stock up your MP reserves and Blood, and you can output more potency than the paladin will in their own window as well. Paladin is 3850 over 5 gcds. The Dark Knight can output 1650 just from Edge, with two bloodspillers and a combo that's 3980. Both of these ignore any additional OGCDs, but they shape up evenly enough there as well.
    Paladin can actually hit 4740 + CoS ticks in its 5 gcd burst and can do this every minute.

    550 (Requiescat) + 1.5*(350(Holy Spirit)*4+800(Confiteor))+ 370 (Spirits Within) + 120 (Circle of Scorn) + 200*2 (Intervene)

    Dark Knight Currently alternates between a potential 5555 potency burst and a 4840 potency burst due to Carve and Spit and Abyssal Drain not lining up with Delirium.

    1.1*(600*5 (Delirium Bloodspillers) + 450(Carve and Spit) + 200(Abyssal Drain) + 500*2 (Edge of Shadow) + 200*2 (Plunge))

    1.1*(600*5 (Delirium Bloodspillers) + 500*2 (Edge of Shadow) + 200*2 (Plunge))

    Your suggestion would drop the burst down to 4565 and 4235 unless they chose to potentially handicap their sustained dps.

    In comparison the other two tanks 10s burst windows deal:

    Gunbreaker: 5868 - 1.2*(500*2 (Burst Strike) + 800 (Blasting Zone) + 200 (Bow Strike) + 450 (Gnashing Fang) + 260 (Rip) + 550 (Savage Claw) + 280 (Tear) + 650 (Wicked Talon) + 300 (Gouge) + 200*2 (Rough Divide))
    Warrior: ~6562 - ~1.5*1.25*(590*5 (Fell Cleave) + 450 (Upheaval) +100 (Onslaught))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Paladin can actually hit 4740 + CoS ticks in its 5 gcd burst and can do this every minute.

    550 (Requiescat) + 1.5*(350(Holy Spirit)*4+800(Confiteor))+ 370 (Spirits Within) + 120 (Circle of Scorn) + 200*2 (Intervene)

    Dark Knight Currently alternates between a potential 5555 potency burst and a 4840 potency burst due to Carve and Spit and Abyssal Drain not lining up with Delirium.

    1.1*(600*5 (Delirium Bloodspillers) + 450(Carve and Spit) + 200(Abyssal Drain) + 500*2 (Edge of Shadow) + 200*2 (Plunge))

    1.1*(600*5 (Delirium Bloodspillers) + 500*2 (Edge of Shadow) + 200*2 (Plunge))

    Your suggestion would drop the burst down to 4565 and 4235 unless they chose to potentially handicap their sustained dps.

    In comparison the other two tanks 10s burst windows deal:

    Gunbreaker: 5868 - 1.2*(500*2 (Burst Strike) + 800 (Blasting Zone) + 200 (Bow Strike) + 450 (Gnashing Fang) + 260 (Rip) + 550 (Savage Claw) + 280 (Tear) + 650 (Wicked Talon) + 300 (Gouge) + 200*2 (Rough Divide))
    Warrior: ~6562 - ~1.5*1.25*(590*5 (Fell Cleave) + 450 (Upheaval) +100 (Onslaught))
    That's great.

    What happens when Delirium doesn't line up with the add they have to kill solo in 10 seconds?
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