How it used to be...

[Oscura]

Your claim is that things have not changed. I, and many others, do not see this reality. Saying you had a bad experience many years ago does not invalidate that things have changed. No one said "things like this never happened in the old days". What we're saying is "things like this happened far less and were not tolerated like they are today".

People who assume we're saying "it never happened" tend to be the people who engaging in the bad behavior. Hence my statement of "I have to wonder".

Change is relative and you will never be able to reach a consensus on something that large of a scale. All of it is anecdotal and everyone has different experiences. To many people, nothing has changed at all. To you and others, things have changed. You cannot prove there is a direct correlation between "people who were/are toxic," and "people who don't believe things have changed," which is why I even stated what I said. You are creating a rift to separate those who disagree with you, which is pretty toxic in itself. It's not as if I stated, "It has always been this way, anyone who disagrees with me needs to get thicker skin and is a crybaby." I simply stated my opinion that FFXIV wasn't any nicer than any other MMO. I think it's quite frankly rude to suddenly insinuate that I might be part of "the problem," simply because my viewpoint and experiences are different than yours. Saying you had good experiences, or did not have as many bad experiences in the past, does not invalidate my opinion that things have not changed either. It is a two way street.

Edit: Also, I never assumed you or anyone said it "never happened." I just said that it "hardly changed," that it happened more than people believed. You're putting words in my mouth.

[CazzT]

I guess no one has ever told you that duty finder randomly selects party members when you jump into a queue.

I don't choose who I "hang out" with when I solo queue.

"When everyone else is the problem, perhaps the problem is not everyone else"

Change is relative and you will never be able to reach a consensus on something that large of a scale.

Except we can. The degree of the change is the part that's relative. That there has been a change is fact. Your claim is that there has been no change. Which is false.

But I'm not going to waste my limited number of daily posts arguing about this.

[Oscura]

"When everyone else is the problem, perhaps the problem is not everyone else"

Yet again insinuating that I am the problem with a limited amount of facts or even context. Most of the instances of toxicity I have witnessed have been just that, as a witness. A tank yelling at a black mage and calling them names for not properly AoEing has nothing to do with me, but sure, insist the "common denominator" argument not realizing how hypocritical it is that you are insulting my character. Alliances yelling at each other while I sit there silently has nothing to do with how I act. I cannot control people.

Your claim is that there has been no change. Which is false.

hardly anything has changed.

Is reading optional for you?

Stop trying to gatekeep your moral high ground.