How it used to be...

[burjayxtreme]

I’ve recently noticed how cruel some people can be on this game.. when I first started playing everyone was really friendly and willing to help others. Now if you get caught trying to enjoy the game or make mistakes you are cursed out, kicked and shunned. It’s really upsetting. It makes me not want to interact with anyone anymore.

Please leave some feedback on how you feel about this.

*I am only talking about ridiculous situations where people are being outrageous. Not being kicked for ruining a farm party. Still could be handled a nicer way though.

[Kanitezz]

I empathize with you. Someone SUGGESTED to me that ONE reason for the increase in rude people could be because of all the WoW refugees that are coming over to XIV. They told me that WoW's community isn't exactly known for being the nicest.

Edit: So some of you seem to think I'm implying that WoW refugees are the ONLY reason for the increase in bad apples. That was never the case. The keywords in my original post being "suggested" and "one".

[Shurrikhan]

I empathize with you. Someone suggested to me that one reason for the increase in rude people could be because of all the WoW refugees that are coming over to XIV. They told me that WoW's community isn't exactly known for being the nicest.

Can we stop blaming foreigners for things as obvious and inevitable as casual-veteran schisms deepening with each expansion, as in virtually every MMO?

[noxen]

I empathize with you. Someone suggested to me that one reason for the increase in rude people could be because of all the WoW refugees that are coming over to XIV. They told me that WoW's community isn't exactly known for being the nicest.

This argument is really, really starting to get tiresome.

No, WoW wasn't the nicest game around. Pinning the blame solely on 'WoW refugees' is a bit of a pisstake though, considering that literally every form of online game will have some form of toxicity in it.

XIV is a game, online, at the height of the internet era. It's going to have assholes in it. You were just lucky enough to had avoided them for so long, OP.

[CazzT]

I empathize with you. Someone suggested to me that one reason for the increase in rude people could be because of all the WoW refugees that are coming over to XIV. They told me that WoW's community isn't exactly known for being the nicest.

This a major contributer, though not the only one. Many of the toxic members of this community were here before the WoW Exodus began, but with the influx of more toxic players, they've become emboldened to behave in their toxic ways because there are more of their own kind around.

And polite, decent, friendly part of the community remaining silent and letting them get away with it only allows the plague to spread.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

I empathize with you. Someone suggested to me that one reason for the increase in rude people could be because of all the WoW refugees that are coming over to XIV. They told me that WoW's community isn't exactly known for being the nicest.

As a 'WoW refugee' myself, having played that game since Vanilla and many other MMOs- I'd have to agree with this. The only communities I've seen worse than WoW's are Fortnite, League of Legends pre-player run banning system, and Call of Duty. But no MMO has ever come close to being as toxic as WoW.

We also come from a different style of game- in WoW, the sole focus is speed. Anything that ever slows you down in any way is the worst, since content is not meant to be enjoyed- it's meant to be repeated, and the reward is the sole bit of enjoyment. It was far worse before personal loot- with greed/need rolls, losing to someone who didn't need it, or even just losing a roll would often create massive drama and enmity.

I personally find the actual content of this game to be enjoyable, and I think it's developed to be more enjoyable- even just putting mechanics in low level dungeons like the chimera boss or the boss that casts doom makes levelling more interesting than any WoW content outside of endgame, as 99% of it is tank and spank.

Thing is, a lot of WoW content is boring the first time you do it, because minimal effort was made into making it- and the expectation is you'll do that bit of content fifty times to level or grind gear.

I'll give an example just on the sort of behaviour that differs. If a tank or a party in aurum vale says they want to clear everything, or to let the seedlings pop for more xp- OR, that they would prefer not to- I've never seen a single person get angry about it. Not once, and I've done that one a fair bit since it's so good for getting to 50.

If you don't take shortcuts past adds in WoW though, at best you'll get people complaining or even leaving, at worst you'll get a votekick to the tank or people being toxic. And I don't just mean at endgame where there's mythic + (which force you to take the least amount of time), but while levelling, where mobs give decent xp (just perhaps not the most mathematically efficient). And this isn't a once in a dozen runs thing- this is almost every single run. Sometimes it'll break down for even more petty reasons- like a dps pulling early, or a tank pulling only two groups at a time while the dps thinks they should be pulling three.

What has been, in my experience, exceedingly rare bad behaviour in this game- is inversely exceedingly the norm in WoW. I do hope that the established positive community here wins out and refugees change to fit in, because I'd rather not have to deal with that nonsense anymore.

[Evergrey]

I think the most common cause of this behaviour in games is based on its popularity.
The higher number of people, in any scenario, means more bad eggs.
Can't escape it.
Just have to ignore the bad ones and keep the good ones closer.

And as time changes, and the society gets more and more stressfull and less free time (depending ofc), means more and more people will take it out while playing when things doesn't go as they planned.
More and more feel that they can't spend as much time doing trial and error because it's wasted time for them.

That is atleast how I see things.

[CorbinDallas]

I think the most common cause of this behaviour in games is based on its popularity.
The higher number of people, in any scenario, means more bad eggs.
Can't escape it.
Just have to ignore the bad ones and keep the good ones closer.

And as time changes, and the society gets more and more stressfull and less free time (depending ofc), means more and more people will take it out while playing when things doesn't go as they planned.
More and more feel that they can't spend as much time doing trial and error because it's wasted time for them.

That is atleast how I see things.

It's exactly the reason. Someone who has come home from work and only has a couple hours to get stuff done, the last thing they want to do is wipe 4 times to Haukke HMs final boss because people can't learn to keep it in their pants and actually do mechanics. Bottom line is that wasting time is not fun, and people will inevitably get fed up. How they react to it is on them, I myself have been known to ragechat and make passive aggressive remarks after the however many Thunder God wipes because of another alliance just not getting the memo.

It happens to the best of us sometimes. But I think a bigger problem is how thin skinned most of this community seems to be. They need to stop pretending that everything can be resolved by sunshine and rainbows and just grow a pair, take it on the chin, and move on. You're more than likely never going to run into these people ever again, get over it.

[SturmChurro]

But I think a bigger problem is how thin skinned most of this community seems to be. They need to stop pretending that everything can be resolved by sunshine and rainbows and just grow a pair, take it on the chin, and move on. You're more than likely never going to run into these people ever again, get over it.

So well said! This is exactly how it should be!

[Kanitezz]

It's exactly the reason. Someone who has come home from work and only has a couple hours to get stuff done, the last thing they want to do is wipe 4 times to Haukke HMs final boss because people can't learn to keep it in their pants and actually do mechanics. Bottom line is that wasting time is not fun, and people will inevitably get fed up. How they react to it is on them, I myself have been known to ragechat and make passive aggressive remarks after the however many Thunder God wipes because of another alliance just not getting the memo.

It happens to the best of us sometimes. But I think a bigger problem is how thin skinned most of this community seems to be. They need to stop pretending that everything can be resolved by sunshine and rainbows and just grow a pair, take it on the chin, and move on. You're more than likely never going to run into these people ever again, get over it.

Fair points. But I wish people would stop crying after one and only one wipe in an instance. Human error is a thing.