SE: Please copyright takedown FFLogs.

[Videra]

and it took 4 minutes to do so lol

Can't even lie, I'm laffin'.

[HWalsh]

Because we can literally see his logs and he's mostly in the purple/second highest range. This is trolling. Pure and simple.

Just because he's good doesn't mean he's using the logs or is in favor of them. Back in the days of DAoC I was routinely the highest damage person on my server, with a class most people were convinced was gimped, and I hate logs and parsers.

[LiteBrite]

Someone took the bait for the 3rd time.

If you say so boss

[Enla]

Just because he's good doesn't mean he's using the logs or is in favor of them. Back in the days of DAoC I was routinely the highest damage person on my server, with a class most people were convinced was gimped, and I hate logs and parsers.

Given his stance on 'you will be kicked for not doing high enough numbers' I'm not buying that. Doubly so since he went out of his way to revive a dead topic and only comes in to post when said topic seems to be dying down. If he was participating I'd side eye it but accept his stance but when he literally only seems to pop in to stir the pot and doesn't otherwise participate it smacks flagrantly of trolling. Which is a shame because people who have a legit issue with these matters deserve to speak about it. Not have an OP who seems to be pretty much laughing at you all for taking him seriously.

[DumdogsWorld]

It was not that long ago when this thread had 20 less pages.

I guess controversy breeds company. Company composed of people trying to strangle each other to death.

[LalaRu]

I still think names in parses must only be opt-in. If you never dealt with that site, your name must be hidden by default. Then the savage players will get there and opt-in to show the world how much good they are.

[kartana]

I think the in-game logging stuff is fine and all but I would cross a line when people start checking your name on a website before they accept you into a group. It's really bad in WoW currently. And I agree that it can breed toxicity. Thankfully I haven't experienced anything like that but I am not much of a raider. Come tho think of it I actually had someone tell me politely at Omega savage that my damage was ok but I could do a bit better. I was actually a bit annoyed at first but took it to heart and did improve after that. So I think the in-game stuff is cool even just for yourself.

[Fhaerron]

I think the in-game logging stuff is fine and all but I would cross a line when people start checking your name on a website before they accept you into a group. It's really bad in WoW currently. And I agree that it can breed toxicity. Thankfully I haven't experienced anything like that but I am not much of a raider. Come tho think of it I actually had someone tell me politely at Omega savage that my damage was ok but I could do a bit better. I was actually a bit annoyed at first but took it to heart and did improve after that. So I think the in-game stuff is cool even just for yourself.

But would you instead spend your 3 hour raid evening in wiping to enrage because you get people who don't do enough DPS?

I don't pug much because well I have static but the times I did nobody ever asked top parses. You just need to be above the minimum.

If SE makes a boss with an enrage timer that requires 8K DPS then people have to do 8K DPS minimum, you won't kill it if everybody would be doing 7K.

SE decides how much DPS you need to have to clear an encounter, not the players.

[Seraphor]

But would you instead spend your 3 hour raid evening in wiping to enrage because you get people who don't do enough DPS?

It’s a classic case of “Need experience to get a job, need a job to get experience.”

[Niyuka]

It’s a classic case of “Need experience to get a job, need a job to get experience.”

Nope. You can get that experience elsewhere, and come back when you have it. In your example, the only way to get experience is to get the job.
I see tons of groups fail to beat DPS checks because they cannot play their jobs properly, WITHOUT any mechanics bothering them. Just plain insufficient skill. That can be practiced one evening in the Stone Sky Sea.