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    Was my first reaction. Not going to lie, I thought this might be a troll post. But either the OP is taking the effort too far, or is actually serious. I'm leaning towards the latter a bit.

    So.. lets get something out of the way. Healbot is, in case many don't know is an addon made to work in WoW's LUA environment. What it does is allows the healer to map different heals to different clicks. You can left click with a regular heal, right click for a heal over time. Or any combination thereof. I think it allows alt, shift, and ctrl too, but I've not looked into it in.. probably a decade. You can click on the person, their party portrait, their raid slot, or even other addon's listings of players and such (like Grid and other addons). Its made with compatibility with mind.

    As you can imagine, its quite useful in a raid setting. However. There's one glaring flaw to the addon that has been present for a long time. Dependency. And if the OP is legit, they are suffering from this issue. Because of how Healbot is used, it can cause a detriment when the addon isn't available. It wasn't uncommon after a major patch to not be able to raid the night of a patch because of the healers in the raids unable to patch their Healbot addons immediately after a patch. And as you all can see here, the OP cannot use it in FFXIV for obvious reasons.

    I want to be clear that I am not suggesting that healers that use such an addon are bad, nor that they are any less skilled. The addon automates nothing. It only allows for an easier to use interface. But players have a tendency to get comfortable with interfaces. When they have a drastic change forced on them by a patch or a new game, they will struggle. It does change the experience that much. Some players are more adaptable than others. Some not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post


    Was my first reaction. Not going to lie, I thought this might be a troll post. But either the OP is taking the effort too far, or is actually serious. I'm leaning towards the latter a bit.

    So.. lets get something out of the way. Healbot is, in case many don't know is an addon made to work in WoW's LUA environment. What it does is allows the healer to map different heals to different clicks. You can left click with a regular heal, right click for a heal over time. Or any combination thereof. I think it allows alt, shift, and ctrl too, but I've not looked into it in.. probably a decade. You can click on the person, their party portrait, their raid slot, or even other addon's listings of players and such (like Grid and other addons). Its made with compatibility with mind.

    As you can imagine, its quite useful in a raid setting. However. There's one glaring flaw to the addon that has been present for a long time. Dependency. And if the OP is legit, they are suffering from this issue. Because of how Healbot is used, it can cause a detriment when the addon isn't available. It wasn't uncommon after a major patch to not be able to raid the night of a patch because of the healers in the raids unable to patch their Healbot addons immediately after a patch. And as you all can see here, the OP cannot use it in FFXIV for obvious reasons.

    I want to be clear that I am not suggesting that healers that use such an addon are bad, nor that they are any less skilled. The addon automates nothing. It only allows for an easier to use interface. But players have a tendency to get comfortable with interfaces. When they have a drastic change forced on them by a patch or a new game, they will struggle. It does change the experience that much. Some players are more adaptable than others. Some not so much.
    Honestly I'm not a troll and I have not healed without the healbot mod. To me you had to either use something like healbot or mouse over macros in WoW. It would have been insanely difficult without them and they seem to build the system on that fact.

    That's why I'm asking...I have never healed in this game so I simply don't know how it works here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhnoozeMyToes View Post
    Honestly I'm not a troll and I have not healed without the healbot mod. To me you had to either use something like healbot or mouse over macros in WoW. It would have been insanely difficult without them and they seem to build the system on that fact.

    That's why I'm asking...I have never healed in this game so I simply don't know how it works here.
    I know you're not trolling. I'm just being honest with you when I said I thought at first.

    Though I will say this, the last times I played WoW and healed. I never used macros or addons to aid in healing. My healing experience in WoW was in Vanilla in MC and BWL, all the way through Burning Crusade, some bits and pieces in Lich King, then again in Warlords and in Legion. The latter two I did Heroic raids and Mythic + dungeons as a healer without those addons or macros. It wasn't difficult, not for me anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    I know you're not trolling. I'm just being honest with you when I said I thought at first.

    Though I will say this, the last times I played WoW and healed. I never used macros or addons to aid in healing. My healing experience in WoW was in Vanilla in MC and BWL, all the way through Burning Crusade, some bits and pieces in Lich King, then again in Warlords and in Legion. The latter two I did Heroic raids and Mythic + dungeons as a healer without those addons or macros. It wasn't difficult, not for me anyway.
    I can't imagine healing in WoW without mouse over macros or healbot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    So.. lets get something out of the way. Healbot is, in case many don't know is an addon made to work in WoW's LUA environment. What it does is allows the healer to map different heals to different clicks. You can left click with a regular heal, right click for a heal over time. Or any combination thereof. I think it allows alt, shift, and ctrl too, but I've not looked into it in.. probably a decade. You can click on the person, their party portrait, their raid slot, or even other addon's listings of players and such (like Grid and other addons). Its made with compatibility with mind.

    As you can imagine, its quite useful in a raid setting. However. There's one glaring flaw to the addon that has been present for a long time. Dependency. And if the OP is legit, they are suffering from this issue. Because of how Healbot is used, it can cause a detriment when the addon isn't available. It wasn't uncommon after a major patch to not be able to raid the night of a patch because of the healers in the raids unable to patch their Healbot addons immediately after a patch. And as you all can see here, the OP cannot use it in FFXIV for obvious reasons.

    I want to be clear that I am not suggesting that healers that use such an addon are bad, nor that they are any less skilled. The addon automates nothing. It only allows for an easier to use interface. But players have a tendency to get comfortable with interfaces. When they have a drastic change forced on them by a patch or a new game, they will struggle. It does change the experience that much. Some players are more adaptable than others. Some not so much.
    Well, that's not the whole picture.

    I myself suffer from a disability that makes my hands a bit shaky, which makes my aim (as you may guess) suck a lot, specially in stressful situations that requires some sort of quickness or fast reactions.

    On small groups i can handle that by just setting some keybinds to target party members, and having a G600 makes it doable even for a 8 man party, but on raids is a different story, and this is where having an addon like healbot has been helping me a lot over the years, since it allowed me to make the party/raid frames on any size and shape i wanted and freed me from multiple hard to press keybinds (like Ctrl+5 which i miss sometimes), something the default FF14 interface doesn't let me.

    The default FF14 interface is very intrusive in terms of space needed when you want to make it bigger as well as being a bit confusing to read sometimes, and i still haven't find any workaround that, or at least other than just going crazy with key binds and hope to remember each one when looking at the frames.

    So, honestly, if we have to keep the non addon mentality will it hurt to at least provide some tools to further customize how these frames are displayed and look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xathyr View Post
    On small groups i can handle that by just setting some keybinds to target party members, and having a G600 makes it doable even for a 8 man party, but on raids is a different story,
    That's all you need in this game. Even when raiding, you typically ONLY focus on your group. So you'll have your 8 people, which will include 2 healers. Then each other group has the same. So long as groups don't have completely crappy healers, you'll never look their way really. Well, you're not obligated to. I know I'll constantly cover for weak heals and keep up multiple groups, but it's not common or expected. To be honest, it often goes unnoticed too. Anyway...all that to say don't stress yourself out. If you can do the 4-8 players with no issue, that's all you'll ever need to do, so long as they don't change group formats down the road.
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