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  1. #31
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    SayuyuYuyu's Avatar
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    Sayuyu Yuyu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    Dissipation came out in HW, so the Largesse argument holds no weight(...)
    I disagree, as you say it yourself. Dissipation became entirely a DPS tool when Largesse was introduced to SCH's toolset. Now that Largesse is gone, what does that make Dissipation?
    The two core reasons you would never use Dissipation for healing in Stormblood was because:
    1) You didn't need the healing boost since Largesse filled that roll.
    2) Resummoning the fairy was always a DPS loss unless the boss had forced downtime.
    But now that Largesse no longer fills the healing buff role and the fairy returns automatically... Dissipations usefulness has improved.

    Regarding the faerie skills(...)
    I never implied that SCH should spam/pop every Fairy skill imaginable just for the sake of it, but I did say that SCH healing priority was always using Fairy healing first. This means that, more often than not, you'd have your Fairy skills on cooldown anyway.


    In regards to the ability loss(...)
    1/3 of your kit (Aetherflow heals) doesn't need to benefit from the healing buff becauses Dissipation magically makes 1/3 of your kit useable again, the same kit that is normally only useable 3 times every 60 seconds can now be used 6 times in a 60 second period.
    You only lose the other 1/3 of your kit(Fairy heals) if those buttons were available at that point in time in the first place - which through cooldown planning you can definitely ensure happens.

    About the gauge and her use(...)
    I don't disagree that the gauge is important, but using Dissipation has absolutely zero consequence regarding the Fae Gauge.
    Dissipation provides you with Aetherflow stacks you wouldn't have otherwise had.
    A SCH who does Dissipate will have access to the exact same amount of Aetherflow stacks as a SCH who doesn't.
    You aren't losing Fae Gauge if you weren't going to gain them in the first place.

    SCH has no spammable heals, mostly because the faerie is supposed to make up for that difference. But if you remove her what then?
    As I've said before, Dissipating when the ONLY damage going out for the next 30 seconds is mostly auto attacks is a bad idea.
    Dissipating before segments of lengthy, significant raidwide damage in order to boost your shields is a much better idea. A 20% healing boosted deployed Adlo provides more healing that is also more reliable than the fairy randomly casting Embrace on hurt party members.
    This isn't a baseless claim either, I've done number calculations using in-game data to come to this conclusion. If you'd like I can post them.
    And regarding spammable heals... if you've just Dissipated, you'll have access to three Lustrates. Lustrate is very spammable and will equate to more raw healing potency than 30 seconds of Embraces ever will.

    As for the other buff skills the other healers get(...)
    I understand the point you're trying to make with SCH having to lose abilities to benefit from their healing buff, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
    It adds a tactical decision making to the job, and if you can fit Dissipation in to your fight's cooldown planning you can 100% benefit from it. Stronger shields under certain mechanics will be significantly better than random Embraces ever will.
    There is absolutely nothing wrong with having nuance and decision making added to a job's toolkit, especially after almost all of that got removed from SCH in the first place.

    But the fact remains, SCH loses access to part of their kit while the other healers get two buffs for the price of one.
    See, I don't take this as a problem.
    SCH gets two buffs as well. 20% increased healing, and an entire stack of Aetherflow to spend on whatever. Keep in mind, if this Aetherflow is spent on healing - that healing will likely equate to more than 30 seconds of Embraces ever will, even if it's just spamming Lustrates on the tank.
    That is the core point I am trying to make with this matter.
    Dissipation is a tool that provides you with significantly stronger shielding, and gives further access to your highly useful Aetherflow tools.
    In the right situations, which WILL present themselves as they have done in the past, will see Dissipation being a highly valuable tool.
    Losing access to your Fairy sucks, but you can plan and prepare your cooldowns so that you will have a very solid window where you can Dissipate without missing any of your Fairy cooldowns. The only thing you'll miss is Embrace, which is not always useful healing (and part of the reasons why half of Seraph's tools are a bit iffy.)

    To say that Dissipation is the One-Ilm-Punch of SCH is downright wrong, and outright overlooking a massive amount of healing potential and nuance.

    The only problem I see with Dissipation is that SCH might not ever actually need that amount of Aetherflow, and having a utility that isn't healing to spend extra stacks on would work very well.
    If I were to make a suggestion, something like:
    Ruination - applies a debuff to a target that increases the damage received by Ruin II by 50 potency for 10-15s, on a somewhat shot cooldown.
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    Last edited by SayuyuYuyu; 07-14-2019 at 01:01 AM.

  2. #32
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    Toki Tsuchimi
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SayuyuYuyu View Post
    Snip.
    Okay, let me try stating it this way, so as not to have a total back and forth.

    This thread is about your reservations on Fey Blessing, and how you feel it's not a good skill, and has little to no purpose, so you'd like some kind of fix for it. Well those emotions you are feeling for Fey Blessing are exactly how other people feel about Dissipation. There is one key difference however. Fey Blessing is new, and could potentially be fixed to not "suck", basically get the Excog treatment. But to those people who dislike Dissipation, they've had that dislike for 4 years. And before it's mentioned, resummoning the faerie is not a "good thing" per se, since the resummoning was just a band-aid people wanted when the skill could still be used for DPS. Was it a decent change, yes, but because Aetherflow changed, it amounts to nothing.

    Hopefully, that makes it easier to understand, and why I'm comparing it to One Ilm Punch.
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    I like helping people with their Job ideas, it's fun to help them visuallize and create the job they'd like to play most. Plus I make my own too, I'll post them eventually.

  3. #33
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    Lyote Sharaia
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    I kinda want Dissipation to work like Fey Union.
    Activate it to drain FG over time, boosted healing output for the duration of the effect. For every 30~ FG consumed, generate an Aetherflow charge.

    Basically, Lets us consume FG to directly boost our own healing power in times of need.
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  4. #34
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    Zyneste Azurox
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Personally since both Dissipation and Fey Blessing have been brought up in here, I feel that they should do a couple things:

    Summon changes:
    Summon/Summon II become instant abilities with a 10 second cool down like SMN has for their Egis. Summon Seraph can only be used while a pet is summoned or while under the effect of Dissipation.

    Dissipation changes:
    Dissipation desummons the fairy and gives us 3 stacks as normal, while increasing [the potency of Aetherflow abilities and-- Maybe on this, but that might be too much] healing GCD spells.
    Aetherflow usage under dissipation now charges the fairy gauge, giving 15-20 fairy gauge with each skill use instead of 10.
    Auto-Resummon is removed with the changes to Summon, Summon II and Summon Seraph.
    Upon using Summon Seraph, Summon, Summon II the effect of Dissipation ends [It still has its normal duration of 30 seconds.]

    Fey Blessing:
    Cost increased to 30. Potency increased to be about 250-350 AOE potency, relative to healers. Cool down reduced to 10 seconds. The cost would be its main limiter.

    To me, this would make the skills much more synergistic. Maybe too powerful, but I think the skills make more sense this way.

    As an additional Idea, ive been toying with what could replace energy Drain, without being broken, while making the kit more connected:

    Tactical Conversion:
    While having Aetherflow stacks, Tactical Conversion becomes Fey Boost. While not under the effect of Aetherflow, Tactical Conversion becomes Fey Covenant Cool down of 20 seconds.

    Fey Boost:
    This action cannot be assigned to the hotbar. Can only be used under the effect of Aetherflow.
    Cost: 1 Aetherflow.

    Grants your fairy 10 Fairy Gauge. Increases embraces potency by 10% for 20 seconds. [Will actually give it 20 fairy gauge, because of its Aetherflow cost.]

    Fey Covenant:
    This action cannot be assigned to the hotbar. Can only be used while not under the effect of Aetherflow.
    Cost: 30 Fairy Gauge.

    Grants you 1 stack of Aetherflow.
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    Last edited by Zyneste; 07-15-2019 at 12:58 AM.

  5. #35
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    Connor Whelan
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    Odin
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    Bard Lv 100
    I know it doesn’t mean much for its defense, but I feel like looking at Fey Blessing alone is why it feels so weak. I think it’s intended to be used as an ancillary heal for when you need more than Succor or Indomitability provide. It particularly allows you to heal up the party along with placing shields with normal use Succor, letting you top them off where you would have to use an Aetherflow skill before.
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  6. #36
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by SayuyuYuyu View Post
    2) Resummoning the fairy was always a DPS loss unless the boss had forced downtime.
    But now that Largesse no longer fills the healing buff role and the fairy returns automatically... Dissipations usefulness has improved.
    Dissipation was bad and always will be bad as long as only 4 scholar spells are affected by the buff you get from it. Everything else we have are abilities and aren't affected.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    Dissipation was bad and always will be bad as long as only 4 scholar spells are affected by the buff you get from it. Everything else we have are abilities and aren't affected.
    If you're using Dissipation to begin with, you're out of Aetherflow, meaning those spells are all you have, since you're probably about to run out of aetherflow again.
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    If you're using Dissipation to begin with, you're out of Aetherflow, meaning those spells are all you have, since you're probably about to run out of aetherflow again.
    Finally. Dissipation is to be used as a calculated move for Aetherflow or in emergencies.
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  9. #39
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    Larek Darkholme
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    Dissipation is actually really nice at the end of a pull. Use all your stack during a pull. Use dissipation before the last add dies.
    and Voila, full stacks and a boosted adlo before the next pull.
    Works nicely during boss transitions too.
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    Larek Darkholme @ Ragnarok

  10. #40
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    Seolla Viltara
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hysterior View Post
    Dissipation is actually really nice at the end of a pull. Use all your stack during a pull. Use dissipation before the last add dies.
    and Voila, full stacks and a boosted adlo before the next pull.
    Works nicely during boss transitions too.
    After digesting some of the responses in this thread, I've actually flipped 180 on Dissipation's use in dungeons. While its issues in trials/raids are unchanged in its need for planning (and painful lack of energy drain), it's actually been helping a lot with wall-to-wall pulls in dungeon duties. You burn your first three stacks on ogcd heals (one of which should be excog) while using Art of War, pop Whispering Dawn, then dissipate for three more lustrates to handle the encounter. It gives a lot more wiggle room for adaptation, and since you don't have to waste the time to resummon the fairy it doesn't slow you down anymore. Alternatively if you know a "big" pull is upcoming, you can dissipate during the last few mobs and start the next fight with six stacks.

    While I still don't like the theme of Dissipation, the fairy resummoning at least makes it feel comfortable when you use it aggressively.
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