Summoner Early Post-Launch Feedback at level 80

[dinnertime]

As long as SMN is attached to SCH, none of that will ever happen.

Except they already have. This hasn't even been an issue since 4.0 with both Jobs learning more Job-specific skills/traits that replace the Class variants, which practically made both of them separate already.

Now with 5.0, SCH is completely separated from ACN/SMN aside from level. They now have their own set of skills and traits from 1-50, labeled as SCH skills and not ACN. SMN and SCH only share one skill and it's Ressurection.

[Gallus]

Arent you a fun person to be around.

I'm no funnier than this though:





Same ilvl. i435.

[CodeAscalon]

I agree with the original post. It captures my feelings on current summoner completely.

I gave it a shot and I just can't deal with how I'm just fixed on my hotbar looking at ocgd timers. Parts of it feel a mess and other parts flow well (pheonix).

Bahamut feels like a lumbering bafoon again made worse by the fact you need to stay still for the ruin 3 damage if you happened to have used your ruin 4 for movement at some other point.

DWT feels ok but would feel a bit better if I wasn't trying to cram all my ogcds in there.

Aoe feels like crap when not in DWT. Trying to use egi assaults or aetherflow skills without being able to use outburst sucks with the clipping.

The change to bane is a welcome one at least and like I mentioned pheonix feels good. I'm a fan of garuda's new skill and would like to see that stay in some way.

I dont know what they can do to fix it and these are just my personal feelings on the matter. I'm no expert :P Here's hoping they make some adjustments because I really enjoyed the class before this. Until then I'll be leveling red mage and playing that instead.

This sums up my complete thought about SMN. I used to love it in HW, SB was okay at the start and got better to the end. But now? I played SMN with heart and now I cannot even take more than a few glimpses on the boss and whats actually happening without not trying to die to stuff... I am sticking to WHM now and it feels soo good in comparison to SMN.

I'm no funnier than this tho:

[IMG] https://imgur.com/SUdYD6z [/IMG]

[IMG] https://imgur.com/L1OnJsl [/IMG]

Same ilvl.

I could not agree with you more

Except they already have. This hasn't even been an issue since 4.0 with both Jobs learning more Job-specific skills/traits that replace the Class variants, which practically made both of them separate already.

Now with 5.0, SCH is completely separated from ACN/SMN aside from level. They now have their own set of skills and traits from 1-50, labeled as SCH skills and not ACN. SMN and SCH only share one skill and it's Ressurection.

we want them to be seperated completely. and not by any means of the skill progression. would make things a lot easier

[dinnertime]

we want them to be seperated completely. and not my any means of the skill progression. would make things a lot easier

I don't see how it would, and how it's still a "problem" that should be addressed.
If you mean aesthetically with the pets and disease DoTs then I'm all for it as long as it doesn't flop.

[GrizzlyTank]

Just hit 72... Would very much preferred that Brand of Purgatory replaced ruin 2/4 rather than outburst, trying to maintain a single target/aoe setup with my cross hotbar and this kind of throws it off...

[Dyvid]

In that case, have fun being a clown class in alliance raids, possibly new future eurekas, S hunts and large scale fates.
And have fun with your glitched toy looking pets and their wrong potency tooltips, all while stomaching their 1.5k damage autoattacks.

And you have fun trying to find the next flavor of the month.

P.S. I like how you use a 750 potency BLM Level 80 spell to compare to a 60 potency Lv. 15 pet attack. Great comparison.

[Taranok]

Just hit 72... Would very much preferred that Brand of Purgatory replaced ruin 2/4 rather than outburst, trying to maintain a single target/aoe setup with my cross hotbar and this kind of throws it off...

Welcome to ShB SMN, where the aoe rotation is awful and the phoenix ST/AoE rotation is also awful (at aoe).

No, seriously, the aoe rotation feels like an afterthought, and as a K+M player I'd still prefer brand of purg on ruin 2/4. When again, I'd also prefer a lot of things with this smn.

[RissotoMissoto]

Oof. Not to say I didn't believe it before, but after trying to do the EX trials, I 100% agree, the timer drift and abilities separating out is real and awful. Everything falls out of alignment and doesn't really want to reset :L

[HeulGDarian]

Oof. Not to say I didn't believe it before, but after trying to do the EX trials, I 100% agree, the timer drift and abilities separating out is real and awful. Everything falls out of alignment and doesn't really want to reset :L

Something that i thought but first of all you there nice name.





ok now that i got that out of the way. why does aetherpact have to be the same across all pets. It could be like enkindle and be a different buff for each egi . They could make it contagion when on garuda radiant shield on first and the armor that currently titan gives . off it would need to get buffed i think if it was 90 seconds cd it would be reasonable . it could be like the old troubadour where it did different stuff and depending how good it is it would give us a reason to swap.

[Taranok]

Something that i thought but first of all you there nice name.





ok now that i got that out of the way. why does aetherpact have to be the same across all pets. It could be like enkindle and be a different buff for each egi . They could make it contagion when on garuda radiant shield on first and the armor that currently titan gives . off it would need to get buffed i think if it was 90 seconds cd it would be reasonable . it could be like the old troubadour where it did different stuff and depending how good it is it would give us a reason to swap.

Having aetherpact change depending on what pet you're actively using won't help anything, and will actually make matters worse overall for the buff. There's a reason Troubadour is no longer 3 separate buffs depending on what song you're singing, and part of the reason is that it made it way too difficult to get the actual buff you wanted out, when you wanted it out. Well, for SMN, tying it to the pet you have out just means you will always use whatever pet gives the highest personal or raid DPS, and the old contagion, both versions, were not fun to play with due to pet clunkiness, and I would definitely not look forward to a repeat of that. And don't get me started with Devotion coming off cooldown during FBT, which is what would happen with a 90s cooldown on aetherpact. None of those things would fix aetherpact, and it would make it feel worse overall instead of better.