[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Troll thread. It's all just bait

[Katie_Kitty]

Leave it to the pseudo-intellectuals of FFXIV to think that sacrificing all life on a planet to a malevolent god is a-ok because someone misses their hometown that died out ten thousand years ago..

[Theodric]

You don't have to be a moral "absolutist" to think thay murdering entire planets is wrong. What utter nonsense.

People can sympathise with and even support a character's shady actions in a fictional setting because it isn't real. It is in no way equivalent to supporting such atrocities in the real world. Stop trying to project malicious behaviour onto other posters because they like and support different characters to you. It's pretty concerning!

It's not as deep as you're trying to make it out to be. It's just a matter of personal preference and it shouldn't bother you in the slightest that different people have different tastes.

[Edax]

Hah, funny that! Emet made pretty much the same argument.

As for others likening this scenario with real world events... there is a convenient line to be drawn. Emet is not human. He is very clearly superior to us in almost every way. At the very least 14 times so than the average shard dweller. That is why people are bringing up the chicken analogy. Its not perfect, but its easy, and gets the point across how he sees us.

If we're going to go into this argument, Zodiark has been split into pieces and banished, thus is inferior to Hydaelyn, therefore the Ascians worship the inferior "religion" in almost every way. And now there's only true Ascian left, the rest of them are probably just shards.

[Daralii]

Leave it to the pseudo-intellectuals of FFXIV to think that sacrificing all life on a planet to a malevolent god is a-ok because someone misses their hometown that died out ten thousand years ago..

To be fair, we know nothing of Zodiark's personality. We know what 13 members of the Convocation were willing to do to summon him, restore the world, and planned to do to bring back those lost in doing so, but nothing of if He even wanted it at all.

[Theodric]

To be fair, we know nothing of Zodiark's personality. We know what 13 members of the Convocation were willing to do to summon him, restore the world, and planned to do to bring back those lost in doing so, but nothing of if He even wanted it at all.

Well, there's that and the simple fact that it was apparently a necessity to make the sacrifice in order to secure a future - something which Hydaelyn prevented by destroying Zodiark and shattering reality, which put a complete end to the Ancients and the society. The worst part is she lied about doing so and gave no indication that there was more to the story.

By virtue of being Primals rather than actual deities, they'll very likely need to both be eliminated somehow. It's just a matter of finding a way.

[Lersayil]

You don't have to be a moral "absolutist" to think that murdering entire planets is wrong. What utter nonsense.

Flew over your head, did it?

You... kinda just proved my point. It's all a matter of perspective, and you only consider ours. You state as fact that his act is outright evil, no matter the perspective or situation. Well, to him, its not. To him its like crushing a few ant hives. And he's not even doing it out of self interest, but the continued survival of his race.

AND if one of those ants proves worthy / living / sentient enough, he even gives them a chance to join him, or defy their plan.

Naturally to the ant, it's all horribly wrong (or evil if you prefer more black and white terms), and it should by all means do everything in its power to thwart their extinction.

[Avidria]

Flew over your head, did it?

You... kinda just proved my point. It's all a matter of perspective, and you only consider ours. You state as fact that his act is outright evil, no matter the perspective or situation. Well, to him, its not. To him its like crushing a few ant hives. And he's not even doing it out of self interest, but the continued survival of his race.

AND if one of those ants proves worthy / living / sentient enough, he even gives them a chance to join him, or defy their plan.

Yeah this here I agree with. Emet was a great villain because his cause is something it's possible to sympathize with - from his perspective, his ultimate goal is virtuous. He wants to restore his home, bring back his friends and family and loved ones. He wants to erase what he sees as a pale imitation, a mockery of everything he loved and fought and watched his people die for. He wants to undo the events of the past, which is exactly what we're trying to do by fighting to stop him - to stop the calamity that ended us.

I very much disagree with him, and don't think that his ends justify his means. The slaughter of billions is, from my (and my WoL's in character) perspective, an unacceptable atrocity. But from Emet's point of view, he was very much in the right. It's exactly like he said before the final fight - the winner writes the history, and the loser becomes it's villain. So it goes.

Honestly, in the end, I got the impression he was genuinely hoping we'd prove him wrong. That we'd prove ourselves worthy, whole enough to be worth his attention, his alliance even. He was hoping we'd turn out to be worthy inheritors of his star, worthy of becoming its new stewards. And he was disappointed, angry, that we weren't.

Until we won the fight, at any rate. Him asking us to remember his people felt, to me, like him acknowledging us - not as a lesser life form, but as someone that could keep his people's memory alive, even if he couldn't anymore.

Of course, I also know the story isn't finished yet. So who knows what'll happen after this. :P

[Edax]

Flew over your head, did it?

You... kinda just proved my point. It's all a matter of perspective, and you only consider ours. You state as fact that his act is outright evil, no matter the perspective or situation. Well, to him, its not. To him its like crushing a few ant hives. And he's not even doing it out of self interest, but the continued survival of his race.

AND if one of those ants proves worthy / living / sentient enough, he even gives them a chance to join him, or defy their plan.

Naturally to the ant, it's all horribly wrong (or evil if you prefer more black and white terms), and it should by all means do everything in its power to thwart their extinction.

There's a big difference between wiping out a few ant hives and wiping all ants from existence. If you set your life goal with making ants extinct, you better believe your going to get pushback from Humanity in the real world.

[SturmChurro]

Honestly, in the end, I got the impression he was genuinely hoping we'd prove him wrong. That we'd prove ourselves worthy, whole enough to be worth his attention, his alliance even. He was hoping we'd turn out to be worthy inheritors of his star, worthy of becoming its new stewards. And he was disappointed, angry, that we weren't.

Until we won the fight, at any rate. Him asking us to remember his people felt, to me, like him acknowledging us - not as a lesser life form, but as someone that could keep his people's memory alive, even if he couldn't anymore.

Of course, I also know the story isn't finished yet. So who knows what'll happen after this. :P

Yes! You get it! I think a previous poster kept on trying to say I was wrong about this, but this is exactly what I got from it too. His fight as Hades was out of desperation, you could see him struggling to let go until you finally defeated him. He literally had a whole thing about it during the battle. In the end he deemed us worthy. In defeat he was finally at peace. There was only one way this could end.