[Spoilers] I’m irrevocably Unimpressed

[Lersayil]

There's nothing sympathetic about it. Their world ended thousands of years ago. Move the fuck on and stop trying to drag over a dozen worlds full of people into your pity party.

What is a few thousand years to an immortal really? Also a dozen of worlds worth of things which you don't consider human or think worth preserving in their current state. In a similar situation many would consider what he is doing, granted few would actually realize or admit it until such a situation presents itself.

For reference I wouldn't, but then, unlike him, I'm a misanthrope.

[Edax]

What is a few thousand years to an immortal really? Also a dozen of worlds worth of things which you don't consider human or think worth preserving in their current state. In a similar situation many would consider what he is doing, granted few would actually realize or admit it until such a situation presents itself.

For reference I wouldn't, but then, unlike him, I'm a misanthrope.

The key problem with Emet's plan is that he has no means to prevent such the worlds from splitting again. It would be like rebuilding the Notre Dame Cathedral exactly as it was and forgetting it could catch fire again. These disasters happened for a reason and Emet has not been searching for a solution, he just wants to roll back the clock.

[Averax]

Someone please help me understand why the bad guys are never allowed to win?

Something seemed awfully wrong about the way Emet-Selch was taken out. By all accounts, he should have won.

I mean, are Ascians even evil?

I mean, yeah. They intended to fast track 8 more calamities to have all of the reflections rejoin the source. A feat which, in itself, is tantamount to genocide on a cosmic scale. Then they were going to take the lucky souls that managed to survive such a hell and sacrifice them to Zodiark, just so they could get the friends back that they had to sacrifice in the first place to summon Zodiark at all.

No matter what way you try to squeeze that, it's evil. Yeah they miss their world, and their society, but it's gone, and in-part it was by their own doing.

What's worse is they screwed up one of the reflections all together and created the Void.

[MomomiMomi]

I mean, yeah. They intended to fast track 8 more calamities to have all of the reflections rejoin the source. A feat which, in itself, is tantamount to genocide on a cosmic scale. Then they were going to take the lucky souls that managed to survive such a hell and sacrifice them to Zodiark, just so they could get the friends back that they had to sacrifice in the first place to summon Zodiark at all.

No matter what way you try to squeeze that, it's evil. Yeah they miss their world, and their society, but it's gone, and in-part it was by their own doing.

Is it truly so evil? Do we not raise livestock that are fated to be consumed by us?

I don't think we should be so quick to call them immoral for it when we as humans do similar things and most of us don't even think twice about it.

[Stanelis]

Honestly I too hoped with SHB's storyline that the ending wouldn't be all black and white. They did a great job muddling the water during the story, yet at the end everything becomes light = good and dark = bad again, which is very sad.

[Katie_Kitty]

What is a few thousand years to an immortal really? Also a dozen of worlds worth of things which you don't consider human or think worth preserving in their current state. In a similar situation many would consider what he is doing, granted few would actually realize or admit it until such a situation presents itself.

For reference I wouldn't, but then, unlike him, I'm a misanthrope.

You don't get to say "I don't think your life matters" and just expect it to be okay to murder you.

[Melichoir]

Is it truly so evil? Do we not raise livestock that are fated to be consumed by us?

I don't think we should be so quick to call them immoral for it when we as humans do similar things and most of us don't even think twice about it.

Well, this isnt quite a decent comparison because you cant carry on conversations with cows, nor have chickens created advanced civilizations (that we know of.)

The Ascians full well understand that we are sentient, capable of reason, and advanced from the more 'common beasts'. Their distinction is that were incomplete, and that imperfection results in worlds that know suffering, death, and decay. All the wars, differences, and pettyness arises from being shards of the original, not necessarily that were incompetent. Because of that imperfection and 'counterfeit' nature of our existence, he doesnt deem us to be alive by their society's standards.

In their eyes, its not evil because they dont see us as alive, but to us it is evil because we consider ourselves alive. The game mitigate's against Emet's position, however, when you realize that the Amarotonian's personal perception of themselves is incredibly flawed. Again, they see them selves as the pinnacle, yet it was these incomplete shards that had surpassed them in knowledge and technology in certain areas (Emet and the Ascians never figured out moving a physical person across dimensions, let alone time.)

[Delily]

They addressed this. The plan was once all the reflections were rejoined, all life on the Source would be sacrificed to give Zodiark enough aether to restore their world to full.

[Edax]

Is it truly so evil? Do we not raise livestock that are fated to be consumed by us?

I don't think we should be so quick to call them immoral for it when we as humans do similar things and most of us don't even think twice about it.

We don't raise livestock to commit extinction. The cows and chickens are very much protected by humanity. We even go to great lengths to preserve the lives of Pandas despite their best efforts to become extinct. Horses now are treated better than most poor peoples now

[MomomiMomi]

Well, this isnt quite a decent comparison because you cant carry on conversations with cows, nor have chickens created advanced civilizations (that we know of.)

The Ascians full well understand that we are sentient, capable of reason, and advanced from the more 'common beasts'. Their distinction is that were incomplete, and that imperfection results in worlds that know suffering, death, and decay. All the wars, differences, and pettyness arises from being shards of the original, not necessarily that were incompetent. Because of that imperfection and 'counterfeit' nature of our existence, he doesnt deem us to be alive by their society's standards.

In their eyes, its not evil because they dont see us as alive, but to us it is evil because we consider ourselves alive. The game mitigate's against Emet's position, however, when you realize that the Amarotonian's personal perception of themselves is incredibly flawed. Again, they see them selves as the pinnacle, yet it was these incomplete shards that had surpassed them in knowledge and technology in certain areas (Emet and the Ascians never figured out moving a physical person across dimensions, let alone time.)

It's all moral relativism, of course. No one group gets to decide where and when the line of morality is crossed. There's nothing absolute that leads to the conclusion that sentience, or sapience, is the crossing point. We don't get to decide that.