Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[SturmChurro]

I do big pulls.
No one dies, nothing seems out of the ordinary.
In one of the big pulls we die because the healer gets hit by AoE, and when I point out that we should kill those first one of the dps starts going at me and very rudely tells me to pull less.
I say something like '' if the healer wants me to pull less, the healer can tell me '', and I get cussed out because apparently they know each other irl and the healer told the dps irl that they wanted smaller pulls but had said nothing in chat before ( and we had run into no problems, and on top of that it was the dps who ninja pulled the extra AoE mob and not me so that wasn't even my fault ).
Then the healer finally speaks and people continue to be rude...


How the hell am I suppose to read the healers mind and why is it my fault that the dps ninja pull <_<?
I continued doing big pulls btw, and didn't break a sweat ( it was a lower level dungeon, the damage wasn't even high ).
Guess they just wanted someone to blame...

Edit: Btw, why is it always the people with the cutest characters lol?
Obviously most people playing cute characters are cool, but every time that someone is rude to me they always play cute characters with cutsey mogs o_o.

I was doing qitana ravel this morning with a similar story. Except healer did tell me to pull less, I pulled big anyway, I died pretty much in 10 seconds even using most of my cd's. I am pretty positive that healer would have barely been able to handle small pulls for that matter. I pulled big again anyway, they kicked me, got a second group in less than a minute where the healer could handle big pulls.

That's what I just do nowadays, single pulls takes waaaay too long in the ShB dungeons, I honestly don't feel like catering to low dps and subpar healers anymore, so I just wait for the kick so I don't have to have an abandonment penalty.

I'm surprised you didn't get kicked actually. If people are grouped up they usually just kick you outright.

[Windsun33]

The most common theme I am seeing here is not about healing, tanking, or dps skills - but about avoiding colored lights on the floor skills. That tells me that the game is not skill but twitch based. And that makes me sad.

[kidalutz]

Halatali leveling dungeoun no coffee

Got a Maurader Tank a NIN and a BLM I think this is gonna go well.

First pack I notice something terribly wrong

Ninja is attacking the thing the tank isnt attack the blm is casting single target damage spells and the tank the tank is appearently unable to figure out what direction to face cause thier overpower misses the second creature by a country mile the enemies are everywhere and on everyone I figure okay mistakes happen its cool then the next pack comes up.. no no the tanks runs through the entire room and can only keep aggro on one after the fact that i barely kept us all alive the dps run off the right direction whiel the tank runs off the wrong way.

I apologize and eat my 30 and sit in gridania and alt tab to youtube for the half hour.

[Khorchi]

...healer did tell me to pull less, I pulled big anyway...

You definitely deserved to get kicked.
If the healer is letting you know that they don't think they can keep up with heals of a big pull and you FLAT OUT IGNORE THEM... TWICE, you deserve to get kicked and then some.

That's what I just do nowadays, single pulls takes waaaay too long in the ShB dungeons, I honestly don't feel like catering to low dps and subpar healers anymore, so I just wait for the kick so I don't have to have an abandonment penalty.

Also, single pulls take too long?
A quite large pull (5+ mobs) takes about a 45 secs to go down with good AoEs. If you do a small pull (2 or 3 mobs) and everyone tries to burn the mobs as fast as they can, the pull might go down in about 20-30 secs. Over the course of the entire dungeon, that is a loss of about 90-120s total. 3-4 mins if the DPS is completely abysmal.
So if the DPS is absolutely atrocious and you're doing single pulls, you might take 5 mins longer.

You are deliberately getting yourself kicked and quite possibly reported because you want to save... 2 mins.

In the amount of time that you loaded in, ignored the healer, mass pulled twice, got kicked and requeued... you lost all of the time that you would have saved.

Regardless of how much time it takes...
At the end of the dungeon, you are still going to get the same amount of experience as every other time you run that dungeon regardless of how fast you'd like it to go.

Instead of being a jerk and just mass pulling because it's what you want to do, how about you just be friendly and ask the healer if they think they could try a mass pull once to see if they can keep you up. You could even offer them advice and make the experience better for the next tank who isn't so sure about mass pulling and that healer would be able to be friendly and keep them up, ensuring the cycle of fast dungeons continues. Hmmm... what a novel concept.

[Hawklaser]

The most common theme I am seeing here is not about healing, tanking, or dps skills - but about avoiding colored lights on the floor skills. That tells me that the game is not skill but twitch based. And that makes me sad.

You can actually be hit by a couple and its not the end of the world... as I swear some DPS/Tanks seem to make a game out of how many vulnerability stacks they can get on them and still have the healer keep them up. As I know I have been able to keep a few with around 5 or so stacks up for a good while in the Shadowbringers dungeons, much more than that and the standard unavoidable aoe's begin to just flat out one shot them depending on the boss.

Player skill does factor into it a bit, and good ol' Bardam's Mettle is a good example for this. In particular the pull right before Mechanics the Boss. As I just had fun there tonight. I know that pull is do-able, and I have healed it before and it is often a rough one if do the full pull. I had suspected something was up when the 65 Dark's HP was ping ponging like crazy, and thought maybe it was due to gear at first. However after we wipe to that pull twice, I ask him if he is still gearing up as he has felt squishy all dungeon, he said he had all 65 gear. I just asked him to double check his gear, and make sure he was using his cooldowns at that point, and kind of kept an eye out to see if any tank buffs were popping up on him over the rest of the dungeon. I didn't really see any that showed up at all. With the 2 dps being returners/first timers, and me being rusty on some of the mechanics for the bosses, the rest of the dungeon was interesting to say the least. Would have loved to done some dps here and there through out the the dungeon, but when the tank's hp bar is putting a yo-yo to shame its hard to do anything else but heal.

[SturmChurro]

-Snip-

Oh most definitively if I get kicked for that, it was justified. I don't report people. Difference in playstyle right? Reported? Yeah, being reported wouldn't fly. I didn't do anything wrong, they are usually the ones harassing me actually; there will be evidence of that in the chat, for that matter.

I was being a bit hyperbolic and facetious in that post, I won't keep pulling big if the healer can't handle it, and I usually do not respond at all; I don't talk at all in dungeons, unless they start being rude to me. You wouldn't believe what people put in the chat for the most minor things. A group will actively kick people for no reason, tank or not - at last boss if they feel like it, it's rampant in this game. I take particular offense to a so called "mentor" who cannot handle any kind of high level play as well, then try to tell others how to play the wrong way. I have a particular hatred for mentors in general though so there is a bit of bias there, and it always cracks me up. Yes, I should be able to pull big, for the reason of saving time. I have run these dungeons dozens and dozens of times for levels; they are routine. When I am queueing for these in mass I do not want to waste time with baby pulls. When I am playing a dps or healer, I don't say anything or try to dictate the pace of the dungeon, but when I am tank, I'm pulling big. I expect the dps to utilize their aoe rotations just like I do, and the healer to be able to heal and maybe even put a little bit of damage out themselves if they are able.

[KaleShibata]

So i had a great in progress. trying to relearn war, cast my lot in on the 69 SB dungeon...got a inprogress listing 25 mins and I'm thinking: aw shit here we go.

Got me a Dancer and Red Mage dps waiting on a healer, which we got seconds after I get in. Scholar. A couple jokes about it are exchanged (supposedly another case of undergeared tank and healer not wanting to heal him.) they kicked both at second boss which is where I came in and I think 'Well lets get on with it.' I open with a joke of 'On 3', charge the boss screaming 'DERG' in chat followed by the SCH saying '3' XD. boss goes down before his second elemental shift. next groups go down in seconds outside the way to the final boss and I'm having the time of my life over here with how fast everything's dying. with a cry of '1...a bunch of numbers 5' i onslaught the final boss and the mayhem ensues. goes down before second power boost. in total i think that entire last portion only took around 6 or 7 minutes counting both boss fights. I imagine that run would have been my 15 minute speed fest for that dungeon had we been with em at the start.

Great way for me to get back into learning warrior. swing by an inprogress and wreck the crap out of it. Fun times.

Edit: If you want an image of how much fun i was having imagine a man swinging an axe over his head like a kid screaming about the pride of a barbarian, Conan or He Man and you'd about have the image correct.

[Heliantheae]

You can actually be hit by a couple and its not the end of the world... as I swear some DPS/Tanks seem to make a game out of how many vulnerability stacks they can get on them and still have the healer keep them up.

If you collect 10 Vuln stacks you get a 1-up.

[FantasyFan06]

This one is about me. I'm playing as a BRD and went through Aurum Vale for the first time today. Had a party member that was very helpful and explained the things to look out for in the dungeon and what to expect from the bosses to the first timers. At one point during the boss fight I suddenly realized it was just me left. The boss didn't have much health left. The player I mentioned previously told me that I could win this and to just use limit break. Well the problem with that was when I first saw the help menu topic for limit break and read that it was shared across the party I figured I had no use for it and didn't want to be the player that accidentally wasted it with a wrong button press. So I just didn't put it on my hotbar and honestly hadn't even thought about it in a long time. I ended up dying and then told the party why I didn't use limit break. They told me to set it so I did. We won on the next try. I felt kind of bad. I guess I'll keep limit break on my hotbar from now on in case I'm ever in that situation again.

[Katie_Kitty]

You definitely deserved to get kicked.
If the healer is letting you know that they don't think they can keep up with heals of a big pull and you FLAT OUT IGNORE THEM... TWICE, you deserve to get kicked and then some.

No. Healer should get good and actually use the tools available to them. All healers can do big pulls.