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    Quote Originally Posted by CaesarCV View Post
    One side is the one that the story designates as in the right, the other the story designates as in the wrong.
    I saw the story depicting both sides to be right (the only wrong side I saw was the one summoning Hydaelyn). Just that we are the one that wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharne View Post
    I saw the story depicting both sides to be right (the only wrong side I saw was the one summoning Hydaelyn). Just that we are the one that wins.
    Alright. If you ignore the music, the way characters are framed, the character designs, the subtext associated in a game where the good guys usually win, who we play as, and a whole bunch of other stuff, you're totally right. Both sides are the same and one just wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaesarCV View Post
    Alright. If you ignore the music, the way characters are framed, the character designs, the subtext associated in a game where the good guys usually win, and a whole bunch of other stuff, you're totally right. Both sides are the same and one just wins.
    Are they the same? Hydaelyn's summoning is kind of an enigma, since a primal summoned with such a small fraction of the population(~12% if we're being generous and assuming it was an even divide) should be no match for one summoned with 50% and then fed half of the remaining population, but she was strong enough to overpower Zodiark, imprison him, shatter reality, and supplant him.

    It's also an extremely minor thing, but I kind of want to know how Elidibus, Hades, and Lahabrea managed to escape being sundered unlike the other 11 members of the Convocation.
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    Sorry, facetiousness and sarcasm don't come across as well on the internet. Obviously both sides aren't the same. Obviously the game's narrative gets to choose who it thinks is right and wrong through all of those things I mentioned. The viewer can disagree (death of the author and all of that) but I was just making a point ha ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Are they the same? Hydaelyn's summoning is kind of an enigma, since a primal summoned with such a small fraction of the population(~12% if we're being generous and assuming it was an even divide) should be no match for one summoned with 50% and then fed half of the remaining population, but she was strong enough to overpower Zodiark, imprison him, shatter reality, and supplant him.

    It's also an extremely minor thing, but I kind of want to know how Elidibus, Hades, and Lahabrea managed to escape being sundered unlike the other 11 members of the Convocation.
    By the math, 50% to summon Zodiark, who managed to stop the Calamity. 50% of the remainder (25%) used to fix the world/star. My guess, Hydaelyn had more aether than Zodiark did because Zodiark would have just finished his second miracle and been drained, while Hydaelyn would have been freshly summoned regardless on how many were sacrificed for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    Are they the same? Hydaelyn's summoning is kind of an enigma, since a primal summoned with such a small fraction of the population(~12% if we're being generous and assuming it was an even divide) should be no match for one summoned with 50% and then fed half of the remaining population, but she was strong enough to overpower Zodiark, imprison him, shatter reality, and supplant him.
    Hydaelyn was summoned with the purpose of stopping Zodiark. Focusing less power but into one specific goal might have been enough.

    Should also be noted that after the initial surprise win she appears to have spent the rest of time up until now constantly losing ground to Zodiark and his minions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaesarCV View Post
    Alright. If you ignore the music, the way characters are framed, the character designs, the subtext associated in a game where the good guys usually win, who we play as, and a whole bunch of other stuff, you're totally right. Both sides are the same and one just wins.
    Two sides being right in what they are doing doesn't equate to them being the same though.
    But if you think you have it all figured it out, more power to you...
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