Expectations are ruining this game

[Katie_Kitty]

So I started playing this game about 6 months ago with my fiance. Neither of us knew much of anything about it and that was a huge part of why I was so excited to play it.

But now, the expectation that you're supposed to look up and know everything about a dungeon before doing it is literally ruining it for me. I understand being frustrated when someone doesn't know the mechanics, trust me. But getting pissed off at someone for not knowing when it's their first time going through is so stupid.

Literally my fiance feels like they CAN'T tank a dungeon without memorizing the mechanics completely before going through because they know people who've done it before will get pissed off and yell at them for it.

I absolutely hate this bullshit. Let people learn as they go. You shouldn't have to research things before doing them.

Sounds like a self imposed problem to me. I LOVE tanking dungeons totally blind the first time I run them. That's how I do dungeons for the first time, every time. Dungeons are easy, and you don't need guides for them. Guides are for trials and raids.

[Krojack]

So I started playing this game about 6 months ago with my fiance. Neither of us knew much of anything about it and that was a huge part of why I was so excited to play it.

But now, the expectation that you're supposed to look up and know everything about a dungeon before doing it is literally ruining it for me. I understand being frustrated when someone doesn't know the mechanics, trust me. But getting pissed off at someone for not knowing when it's their first time going through is so stupid.

Literally my fiance feels like they CAN'T tank a dungeon without memorizing the mechanics completely before going through because they know people who've done it before will get pissed off and yell at them for it.

I absolutely hate this bullshit. Let people learn as they go. You shouldn't have to research things before doing them.

I've been playing this game since v1.0 and have never ever seen or heard of this for dungeons. Now extreme primal fights or savage yeah but not normal dungeons.

[Lersayil]

Guides are a crutch. If a player is causing multiple wipes in a dungeon, that usually means he can't learn the mechanics on the fly, as there is usually enough leeway for 2-3 mistakes per fight. If thats the case they probably should watch a guide beforehand.

The general expectation from most people is, that they dont have to wipe multiple times on a relatively easy dungeon boss. I don't think I saw more than a handful complaining in a dungeon up until this condition is met over my 6-ish years.

If you are getting this feedback on the regular theres either a large cultural difference between our shards, or its not the complete story.

Either way your post tittle is rather sensationalist, hyperbolic, and in my opinion outright false.

[Kaelah]

I'm with the majority that say they have only experienced this in trials and raids, usually extreme ones too. Sorry you've had a few bad experiences, I get where your fiance is coming from too, my husband tried to play with me as a tank but he quit because he couldn't take the negativity he got for making mistakes early on.

I've played since 2.0 launch and I've never had anyone chew me out for not knowing tacts of a dungeon, even if I am late to run it. (I'm very casual.) I just say at the start "Hi all, this is my first time here, sorry if I make any mistakes." People are usually fine with that, sometimes they offer to explain tactics to which I usually reply I am happy to fly blind unless they really want me to know them. Like you, I prefer to learn by playing, more fun.

Make yourselves a macro saying something like "Hello, >name< and myself are new, we don't know the tactics yet so please bare with us." Or something like that, I had a tank once in an early dungeon with a similar macro set up to explain she was new to tanking so please be kind and if they have any advice she would be happy to hear it, I thought it was awesome. (She did a fine job tanking too!)

[Reinha]

Go in blind. Doesn't matter if it's old content or what your role is. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise because it's your right to enjoy content that is new to you without having it spoiled. However, when it comes to content that requires practice (extreme, savage, ultimate) you should make or join a practice party for the first time experience.

I have only one issue with going in blind and that's people demanding you to explain the whole fight for them or blaming you if they fail a mechanic they didn't know. It's your responsibility to prepare to the extent that you feel is necessary before queuing. Don't expect others to copy paste a full guide in the chat box when you could have just read it beforehand. Being unprepared means there is a possibility that you will make mistakes and that should be part of the fun.

[BatLW]

Not sure where your frustration stems from. I am playing through HW right now, should be at the end of the epilog - So I have multiple trials, dungeons etc. that unlock and I have to tank them first time.

In general, there are a few things to look out for:

Dodge EVERY Area of Effect.

If you get a Debuff on your head that has a radius around you, move out of your team mates radius / even to the edge of the battle arena

Use your Cooldowns. All your activate skills for damage reduction should be used. You don't need to save them for rainy days, click em, you make it easier for the healer to compensate mistakes you will make when doing it first try.

Write a line when the dungeon starts "Hey, first time in this dungeon. If there is anything out of the ordinary with a boss, please let me now"

Sticking to this rules (Which in my opinion are just basic MMORPG behavior guidelines) I never got hated on or insulted for maybe wiping once. I mean, if you wipe, you probably realize what you messed up anyway and if you repeat the same mistake 3-4 times... maybe play minecraft.

[Alestorm]

I have literally never had this happen before. The only instances of looking at guide's I've ever seen this sort of thing were EX primals/raid groups. Never be afraid to ask what to expect and if they say to "look up a guide"... then they are just jerks. I'm on OP's server and we're chill about just about everything possible. If you like OP you/your SO can throw me a friend request if you ever see me online and I can try my best to help out.

[Drayos]

Like I said, I understand the frustration. But I'm the kind of person who doesn't want to know ANYTHING before doing something. Even with raids. I don't want to know. If you can't handle new people not knowing, then you need to reevaluate yourself. Or like. Explain how it works before jumping in. The game literally tells you that there are new people when you start.

U can do ex and stuff without looking it up.

U just need to join a blind run, they generally cater. But yes if u join a basic practice group then they will expect you looked it up as they aren’t looking to blind run the content.

With groups, it sounds like you’ve been unlucky.

[NekoNova]

Just play, it's a duty finder dungeon.
The only expectation you should have in there is that you will run into random asshats.
Anyone "expecting" savage performance in a random dungeon should make his own party finder, not the other way around

[Vidu]

Just play, it's a duty finder dungeon.
The only expectation you should have in there is that you will run into random asshats.
Anyone "expecting" savage performance in a random dungeon should make his own party finder, not the other way around

What about expecting "savage perfomance" in "savage content" (I'm including EX-primals here)? It seems OP wants to run everything blind using the DF.

I cant recall ever seeing anyone be upset with someone wanting to run a dungeon blind (given they had a basic understanding of their job - no NOT savage level, just tanks knowing their aggro-button, healers knowing their heal-button and dps knowing their singletarget from their AoE-button - and a grasp of repeated mechanics) - but Ex-primals and Savage-raids are a different story.