Expectations are ruining this game

[Laphael]

You can run every dungeon blind, as long as you read the chat.
There are not many, but a few bosses, where you have to know the mechanics.
Example: Snowcloak, 2. Boss. Its immense frustrating, if the Tank doesn´t know what to do there and the fight takes forever.

Its also always good to tell your party at the start, that you are new, so they can explain important mechanics.

Edit: This works for dungeons and normal primals/raids; NOT for Extreme primals, savage raids.

[NekoNova]

What about expecting "savage perfomance" in "savage content" (I'm including EX-primals here)? It seems OP wants to run everything blind using the DF.

I cant recall ever seeing anyone be upset with someone wanting to run a dungeon blind (given they had a basic understanding of their job - no NOT savage level, just tanks knowing their aggro-button, healers knowing their heal-button and dps knowing their singletarget from their AoE-button - and a grasp of repeated mechanics) - but Ex-primals and Savage-raids are a different story.

You can run savage content blind.
But that implies you can learn mechanics on the fly.
As pointed out before, if you want to run savage content blindly, then either learn the mechanics on the fly, or accept that it was a bad idea and then look up a guide / make your own party.
Savage content requires a bit more work than a random dungeon, so I can live with certain expectations/requirements being needed there.


Not for random dungeons however.

[Kirsten_Rev]

It's worth remembering that the Duty Finder is not designed for one group in particular. It's not built to cater to people who want to run story content blind. It's not built to cater to Tomestone grinders. It's not built to cater to people leveling alts, or those grinding another job to cap. Entering with expectations is simply a recipe for frustration, regardless of what those expectations are or how reasonable someone might think they are.

About the only expectation you can safely have is that people aren't free to verbally abuse you with impunity. That doesn't mean you won't encounter it, but it does mean you can report them for it. Other than that, if you're dead set on a particular style of play and won't enjoy yourself if your approach isn't respected by the group, you should use the PF to create a group that works for you. Or don't queue up that day; there's nothing wrong with waiting until you're more in the mood for a group of random strangers.

[Seraphor]

You do not need to take this expectation seriously.
Go in blind, and enjoy your time playing. If you're going in as a pair that's even better, because you will not be a single player singled out if you do encounter anyone with this unreasonable expectation.
Going in blind is the default for standard dungeons. Most people won't even question if you know what you're doing unless you mess up, and even then you'll usually get "Are you new? Let me explain the mechanics for you."

Literally the only stuff you should be expected to have looked up a fight before hand, is the very latest endgame EX/Savage content, and even then, if you're in a full pre-made you could have like-mined people who want to all go in blind anyway.

[Enjuden]

So I started playing this game about 6 months ago with my fiance. Neither of us knew much of anything about it and that was a huge part of why I was so excited to play it.

But now, the expectation that you're supposed to look up and know everything about a dungeon before doing it is literally ruining it for me. I understand being frustrated when someone doesn't know the mechanics, trust me. But getting pissed off at someone for not knowing when it's their first time going through is so stupid.

Literally my fiance feels like they CAN'T tank a dungeon without memorizing the mechanics completely before going through because they know people who've done it before will get pissed off and yell at them for it.

I absolutely hate this bullshit. Let people learn as they go. You shouldn't have to research things before doing them.

To be blunt, I always lie about my experience to prevent that from happening. On Savage/EX, I'll look it up, but I will blatantly lie about not being new to a fight just to get the extra experience. Maybe that's how you and your fiance should go about it? I've not once had to deal with that in dungeons though, you probably just had some really terrible people and are venting. As above, nobody important or relevant cares about people knowing a dungeon beforehand. But your fiance absolutely cannot sum up the entire population because of some people who have their heads where the sun doesn't shine.

[axetotheface]

How can the game survive if you can't expect anything from it ?

Being matched with randoms means a random experiences, if you want to do blind run just make PF group with "blind run, learning on the fly"

Yes, the PUG experience in this game is good and constructive... but you have to remember this is still on the internet, do not let few bad apples make you think the whole tree is rotten. Today People use online video game not just as entertainment but a place to vent their anger

Those people who want perfect execution above and beyond not dying to mechanic in a dungeon are mostly " good player" that are trapped in pug environment

[IzVale]

Usually people silently accept their fate and/or give tips to new players, BUT you gotta say it. I've never seen someone's head get ripped off because they said "I'm new. First time spanking/tanking/squeezin this."
It's not even that hard to do and yes, while the game gives a hint about it, considering the alts in this game.. nah.
Of course, there will be some mimimi-heads on the way, but the FFXIV is pretty great in such situations and there is - at least it seems like it for me - a lot in between meeting those peeps. On the other hand, the lot of new players I've seen not taking any tips from "veterans" is somewhat quite more common for the eye..
So all in all, give people a heads up and it will be fine.

[Skogli]

Ime on moogle, all I've had to do as a tank was say "hey, first time here. Taking it easy.". Usually the healer Will tell me if I should be puling more and the dps Will tell me if I should pull faster.

If the problem is that your SO is a slow tank and that's causing reactions then that's a different problem that should be adressed directly. Majority rules in these situations and a tank must adjust speed and volume to the party.

[Aomine1992]

Obviously anecdotal, but the other night I was doing the normal raid roulette, end up in Eyes of the Creator (where you have to match up the power-ball to the lifeless adds). Anyway, at one point one of the adds got pulled away from the platform they needed to be on, and we were graced with the following:

WHAT THE F*** ARE YOU DOING
STOP GO BACK
YOU F****** IDIOT

Tis paraphrased - the whole thing was actually longer (about 6 lines or so). But it came completely out of the blue and was incredibly unnecessary.

With that said, I do think MOST people are patient and understanding, some may be helpful, but there are definitely plenty of people out there with incredibly short-fuses who probably shouldn't be playing with other people.

Lol really like who actually remembers all the Alexander raids! I did savage and trust me we got that normal one, and I was like crap what do we do here haha

Note: I know some people are going to be like I remember them all, and that's great for you. Lol

[Nims]

Not to be that guy, but you don't have to worry about looking anything up (in dungeons atleast) if you just pay attention to mechanics. Most of the mechanics are reused from previous dungeons and solo duties, plus just use video game common sense. My friends and I go into dungeons blind and we haven't had a problem at all.