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  1. #11
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    GrumbleBeard's Avatar
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    Severa Nanase
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    Jenova
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    better question, do we really need mp when we've done away with tp?
    Yes. MP exists as a resource to manage on healers and a limit to rezzing on rdm/smn. Tp existed as bar that told melee they were no longer allowed to aoe in dungeons after 30 seconds. It was different in ARR/HW, but in SB even if you died and came back with no tp, you still could not functionally run out in single target.
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  2. #12
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    Aomine1992's Avatar
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    Daiki Sejuro
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 80
    They have such issues with balance in almost afraid of a non caster healer lol it might end up OP or bad just like early HW AST with no in between. But it would be a nice change in pace
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  3. #13
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Ultros
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lihtleita View Post
    better question, do we really need mp when we've done away with tp?
    This is actually a pretty interesting question you can discuss very in depth. But the tl;dr to "do we need MP?" is "no, but".

    In short, that 'but' being you can balance healing strength around unlimited resources (at least for MP), instead focusing more on cooldowns, timing, etc, but it most comes down to how much you think MP management adds to the game. If you're not careful, as with stripping other types of resource management, you can end up with a game that is more bland instead of less frustrating or whatever - and walking that line can be tricky.
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  4. #14
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    Roda's Avatar
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    Roda Tirhaalo
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    Balmung
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    Chemist as a potion healer with Mix as a mudra-esque mechanic, maybe in 6.0 or 7.0

    but it will still cost MP for balancing reasons.

    Please look forward to it.
    Stands for "Mixing Potions"
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  5. #15
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    Kaethra's Avatar
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    Kaethra Tatrinae
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by CazzT View Post
    I would love to see a melee healer, where their HPS is directly based on their DPS. Unfortunately, this has been tried a few times (see: Disciple of Khaine from WHO), and it always ends up with the class being gutted (read: "balanced") until it's basically just another caster healer.
    Inquisitor (melee cleric) from Everquest 2 comes to mind. They were excellent healers. Capable off-tanks in some situations too. Capable of using one hand and shield or two hander. They specialized in Reactives, a mechanic I haven't seen used often in MMOs. Their heals were reactive, having 5 charges and healing the target each time they took damage. There was reactive debuffs that could be used on enemy targets that caused them to be debuffed whenever they attacked a party member. And damage reactives that did direct damage whenever a party member struck the target.

    Paladins in both Everquests were hybrid healer/tanks as well. They still needed to cast like a caster healer, but were capable tanks also.
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  6. #16
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    Niko_Kishiko's Avatar
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    Otto Majik
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    Mateus
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    I thought dancer would have been a different type of healer. A midrange or melee tp healer but nope we just got no new healer.. again and tp is just gone. I love ShB. It's the best story but idk wth is up with the jobs.
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  7. #17
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    Allegor's Avatar
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CazzT View Post
    I would love to see a melee healer, where their HPS is directly based on their DPS. Unfortunately, this has been tried a few times (see: Disciple of Khaine from WHO), and it always ends up with the class being gutted (read: "balanced") until it's basically just another caster healer.
    Back when DNC was speculated to be the next healer job, I was crossing my fingers it would be like that. Another good example of this is (was?) Mistweaver Monk from WoW.
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  8. #18
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    Kyssa Shay
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    Siren
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    Reaper Lv 93
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaethra View Post
    Inquisitor (melee cleric) from Everquest 2 comes to mind. They were excellent healers. Capable off-tanks in some situations too. Capable of using one hand and shield or two hander. They specialized in Reactives, a mechanic I haven't seen used often in MMOs. Their heals were reactive, having 5 charges and healing the target each time they took damage. There was reactive debuffs that could be used on enemy targets that caused them to be debuffed whenever they attacked a party member. And damage reactives that did direct damage whenever a party member struck the target.

    Paladins in both Everquests were hybrid healer/tanks as well. They still needed to cast like a caster healer, but were capable tanks also.
    GYAH! I knew I was forgetting one! For a while, Melee Warden was insane for non-raid healing and dpsing. With enough MultiAttack and Flurry, you could heal an entire party's HP bar with a single auto attack if it crit. Prolly why they nerfed that AA build into the abyss... RIP Melee Warden
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  9. #19
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    LittleChickenNugget's Avatar
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    Hana Kaneuchi
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    Midgardsormr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Let me be a healer that has to attack to help keep the party alive! Disc Priest in WoW is one of my favorite healer styles to play. Well, it was before they gutted that too. Or give me a class that focuses a lot on HoTs. I'm stuck playing WHM because at least it doesn't hurt knowing I lost everything from my SCH kit lol.
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  10. #20
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I've said this before but, if we ever get Garlean themed classes a Chemist as a healer would work there since the Garleans couldn't use magic so their non-conscripted healers would probably people throwing around various kinds of healing concoctions.
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