If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[Nedkel]

... Raw went from a Parry bonus to a flat 25% defensive ability on a 25 second cooldown. That is leaps and bounds superior in every facet. It sharing a CD with Nascent Flash matters little because they have different uses. The latter is intended for use while OTing—essentially providing Warrior with a TBN/Intervention equivalent. Raw is for when you're MTing. Speaking of TBN, an additional 5% of a tank's HP is much more potent. We're boasting six digits now. That is no small amount.

Old Raw was on a 90s CD compared to 25s now. That is almost four times the usage for a CD you acknowledges is stronger. Seriously. And what? Warrior was more tanky before? They didn't even have a tank stance. Defiance only boosted their HP. Warrior literally got a 20% free defensive buff. While DRK did lose some of its HP sustain, you typically wanted to avoid Dark Arts Abyssal Drain because it was technically a DPS loss unless you were overcapping on MP.

As for Protect. The mitigation of it was so low, you often wouldn't even save a healing cast if memory serves. It had a purpose much in the same way food or materia does but it wasn't anything significant. Furthermore, tank stats as a whole accommodate some losses. Hence why tanks are often taking less damage now than during Stormblood's release. You have to consider prior to 5.0 tanks did not have a 25s 20% CD they essentially spam. That contributes significantly more than Protect ever did.

Idk did you played tanks in stormblood for long, but anyone who did will tell you, they were a lot tankier in tank stance back then than they are now.

Raw intuition is trash now because it shares CD with Nascent flash, it wont be used in dungeons pulls maybe on bosses on tank buster mechanics, nothing more.

Warrior with 20% heal and HP bonus was able to hold wall-to-wall pull on his own without healer with IR damage windows, it was super strong, with convalescence ON he would heal himself to full with one steel cyclone on IR.

As i told you before protect bonus was entirely dependent on the amount of defensive stat you had, it was super small for dps and healers, but a significant buff for tanks
For tanks protect buff translated into 8-10% mitigation bonus for free and up all the time.

It takes today more healing than it was before.
I dont blame healers for not dpsing, because balance in dungeons changed by a ton towards healers.

[ForteNightshade]

Idk did you played tanks in stormblood for long, but anyone who did will tell you, they were a lot tankier in tank stance back then than they are now.

Raw intuition is trash now because it shares CD with Nascent flash, it wont be used in dungeons pulls maybe on bosses on tank buster mechanics, nothing more.

Warrior with 20% heal and HP bonus was able to hold wall-to-wall pull on his own without healer with IR damage windows, it was super strong, with convalescence ON he would heal himself to full with one steel cyclone on IR.

As i told you before protect bonus was entirely dependent on the amount of defensive stat you had, it was super small for dps and healers, but a significant buff for tanks
For tanks protect buff translated into 8-10% mitigation bonus for free and up all the time.

It takes today more healing than it was before.
I dont blame healers for not dpsing, because balance in dungeons changed by a ton towards healers.

Yes, actually. I tanked Savage and UcoB, albeit on a different account. How about you?

Curious you insist this given almost every tank main I know drooled at how strong Raw Intuition became. Did you even bother to read what I said? Nascent Flash isn't intended to be used when you're MTing. And saying it will only be used on tank busters. So? In what world is that a bad things? Warrior has options whereas before it straight up ignored Inner Beast because you barely even stayed in Defiance. Speaking of, I reiterate, yet again, Defiance did not provide you with any defense. Therefore, Warrior received a straight 20% buff. You keep ignoring this vital detail.

And that is HP sustainability not defensive mitigation. Regardless, each tank was compensated for that in some manner or another. All that changed is tanks can't solo dungeons anymore. At least not while mass pulling everything in sight. This doesn't make them squishier.

Which was, again, compensated by tanks having significantly higher HP and boosted defense. In Stormblood, the shortest CD outside TBN was Rampart—which had a 90s duration. Now each tank has one on demand every 25%. Considering it's more than double the strength of Protect, we're more than fine.

I can only speak anecdotally but I've found wall to wall pulls in Qitana Ravel, Malikah's Well and Mt. Gulg all easier than their Stormblood equivalent.