Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Gwenorai]

The people who were against liking shorter(or feminine) bunny men because "it's for ERP and lewd purposes", are now saying "not everyone wants to ERP just because we want bunny men".

There's a huge difference between the two, one is a lot broader - the other is a minority within a community.
Wanting a missing gender released doesn't mean you want to ERP - it shouldn't even relate to it.
Talking to people who have freely admitted that they ERP and want to have them for certain specifics does. These are also some of the same people who think they should be adorable and cute, not all of them - but the most vocal in this thread have been in this boat. I can't shake off that one guy who wanted them short and feminine and sort of childlike so they could be a child.

This also works the other way as well. I've seen plenty of people who do ERP want tall characters who are manly, and not the opposite.

Sure, not everyone who wants a small and feminine male wants to ERP - but there has to be a reason for it, right? So they fit what you look like in real or something? That seems most logical.

For those who do wish them to be short and feminine like; I'd ask this. Is this due to your own personal aesthetic? Your desire to ERP as a certain type of male bunny? Or do you truly believe that the lore hints towards them being short and feminine and thus they should be? No, I'm not taking a jab. I want to know why people wish them to look this way - especially those who have zero plans to ERP or have a specific character in mind? Surely it boils down to 'projecting onto your character' and/or 'sexuality' and 'aesthetic' right? Again, I'm really curious about this and wish to understand, though I'm starting to think it's just a silly question - as part of me thinks my previous points are simply why and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're not trying to stir the character away from the devs design.

I'll start why I think they shouldn't look feminine and small - the lore doesn't match it. It's not an amazing argument, but I'm praying that they follow it. Mi'qote is also already small as it is, I don't believe that two of the 'animalistic' races should be pushed down to the same size as Mi'qote or smaller. I wouldn't mind if they were slightly smaller than females, but I'm not for a repeat on what happened to female Au'ra. I'd be all for a larger 'height' scale, however. If the male could be taller than the females and yet, the smallest of the males could be smaller than the females then I believe this would be best of both.

Also, wait aren't you the guy who went into my post history and saw that I was tall and used it as an argument against me?
Lmao oh lord. Hey buddy.
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Regarding the bunny ear physics. I could have sworn they move? When I see them run I see them bounce. Don't see them flicker though, but Fran's ears didn't flicker either. From what I remember in FF12 they were pretty stiff like a hares ear.

[zeylos]

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Personally, I'd rather male viera look masculine in build, similar to male au ra, but femenine on animations.
What femenine means to me, is like the female viera, I asociate femeninity with foxes, not women, mostly cus humans are so diverse its very hard to put them into groups like that, just like how masculine to me means gorilla-esque, nothing to do with men. What I mean by femenien animations, I mean graceful animations, like a gracefull asassin dancer which is how I see male viera, not rainbow cats flying to take u whenever u decide to sit, and the reason for that is simply that I want male viera not only cus I love the viera race, rabbits, and I love attractive male characters (Before u start with the ERP argument, I personally find any sort of RP boring, and have absolutely no desire to dress my characters in sexy or skimpy clothes unless necessary), but most importantly, because they fill the wood elf fanatsy this game lacks (plz dont say elezen are anything like that, cuz they overly polite giraffes), and graceful /femenine animations come with that

[Gwenorai]

Personally, I'd rather male viera look masculine in build, similar to male au ra, but femenine on animations.
What femenine means to me, is like the female viera, I asociate femeninity with foxes, not women, mostly cus humans are so diverse its very hard to put them into groups like that, just like how masculine to me means gorilla-esque, nothing to do with men. What I mean by femenien animations, I mean graceful animations, like a gracefull asassin dancer which is how I see male viera, not rainbow cats flying to take u whenever u decide to sit, and the reason for that is simply that I want male viera not only cus I love the viera race, rabbits, and I love attractive male characters (Before u start with the ERP argument, I personally find any sort of RP boring, and have absolutely no desire to dress my characters in sexy or skimpy clothes unless necessary), but most importantly, because they fill the wood elf fanatsy this game lacks (plz dont say elezen are anything like that, cuz they overly polite giraffes), and graceful /femenine animations come with that

Ah, see when I read this I think it's just a confusion of the word being used - you want graceful and beautiful men. I don't think these words are still associated with femininity.
The traits that are associated with femininity are these; gentleness, empathy, humility, and sensitivity. While the traits associated with masculine are strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness. The females have both of these; which is androgynous in regards to mental state. The men, however, by going off their lore seem to be more masculine.

[zeylos]

Ah, see when I read this I think it's just a confusion of the word being used - you want graceful and beautiful men. I don't think these words are still associated with femininity.
The traits that are associated with femininity are these; gentleness, empathy, humility, and sensitivity. While the traits associated with masculine are strength, courage, independence, leadership, and assertiveness. The females have both of these; which is androgynous in regards to mental state. The men, however, by going off their lore seem to be more masculine.

Hmmm personally I've seen the females to be more masculine than what lore says of men. Viera men lack leadership from what I've heard, yet the females dont lack any. I think no viera is femenine if we generalize, and as for viis, a bit more of both. Actually, the viera are a super amsculine race going by that, when I always though they were femenine. To me, femenine means gracefullnes etc, and masculine means brutal etc, but going by this description, most viera are masculine mentally speaking

[Lauront]

Hmmm personally I've seen the females to be more masculine than what lore says of men. Viera men lack leadership from what I've heard, yet the females dont lack any. I think no viera is femenine if we generalize, and as for viis, a bit more of both. Actually, the viera are a super amsculine race going by that, when I always though they were femenine. To me, femenine means gracefullnes etc, and masculine means brutal etc, but going by this description, most viera are masculine mentally speaking

I think you're dealing with abstracts now to the point that this is becoming foggy. The way Gwenorai laid out the personality traits is pretty helpful (although you can add more to these, such as traits like neuroticism, agreeableness and so on.) Both males and females exhibit these traits, but due to biological/evolutionary reasons, men express the traits to differing degrees to women (i.e. they fall along different bell curve distributions), who by and large were more preoccupied with child-bearing and -rearing historically, something which has tempered the evolution of their personality traits. Viera women are no exception to this, and their co-dependent social structure in order to protect their villages and rear their young is a facet of this. Because Viera choose to organise as hunter-gatherers, and because the males take it upon themselves to defend the Wood, the females have to be prepared to defend their villages as a last resort and also to assist with the hunting. This does not negate their more feminine characteristics, but it's probably why Gwenorai says they would appear androgynous in this facet. Certainly to modern eyes. Another thing to add is that it can also come down to differing expression of similar traits, and differing application of them (e.g. men are biologically inclined to show an interest in things/concepts, whereas for women this tendency is more in the area of people.)

Now compare to the males, who are solitary hunters. That is by far the most extreme type of masculine personality inclination you can get. The fact that they don't act as leaders in this regard is irrelevant, because they're not involved in the management of their villages at all.

Thus I don't consider the application of the term to the females to be particularly enlightening here.

You can associate certain physical traits with masculinity and femininity, however gracefulness is not one of those. They have more to do with anatomy and ratios indicative of fertility or virility. The same applies to facial beauty, but I think the term "beautiful" is a pretty gender-neutral term, anyway.

[Mugear_bahamut]

Sure, not everyone who wants a small and feminine male wants to ERP - but there has to be a reason for it, right? So they fit what you look like in real or something? That seems most logical.

For those who do wish them to be short and feminine like; I'd ask this. Is this due to your own personal aesthetic? Your desire to ERP as a certain type of male bunny? Or do you truly believe that the lore hints towards them being short and feminine and thus they should be? No, I'm not taking a jab. I want to know why people wish them to look this way - especially those who have zero plans to ERP or have a specific character in mind? Surely it boils down to 'projecting onto your character' and/or 'sexuality' and 'aesthetic' right? Again, I'm really curious about this and wish to understand, though I'm starting to think it's just a silly question - as part of me thinks my previous points are simply why and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're not trying to stir the character away from the devs design.

I'll start why I think they shouldn't look feminine and small - the lore doesn't match it. It's not an amazing argument, but I'm praying that they follow it. Mi'qote is also already small as it is, I don't believe that two of the 'animalistic' races should be pushed down to the same size as Mi'qote or smaller. I wouldn't mind if they were slightly smaller than females, but I'm not for a repeat on what happened to female Au'ra. I'd be all for a larger 'height' scale, however. If the male could be taller than the females and yet, the smallest of the males could be smaller than the females then I believe this would be best of both.

Also, wait aren't you the guy who went into my post history and saw that I was tall and used it as an argument against me?
Lmao oh lord. Hey buddy.

The reason. I have a stronger preference towards shorter(not specifically child-like) characters, and the feral nature of Viera are attractive to my taste.
I'm not personally against having an option to be taller than the females, but if that was implemented, I doubt YoshiP would let it have a bigger height slider, so we'll see what he does about that.
Nothing's set in stone yet, and everyone's just making assumptions, so you shouldn't mock anyone for having a different opinion. Is that equal to wanting to ERP as children as you so suggest?

And yes, I'm the guy, but I did not use your height against you but rather your opinions toward height shaming on a previous post. You're free to quote me on that.
Wanting shorter variants doesn't equal child ERP. I live in Asia now and let me tell you, the average height is the same as Miqote and lower. Mexicans and other South American countries are also similar.
Not every dude is Elezen height. That's a Nordic trait. I just want an option to go lower than Miqote, which is possible for females, but I don't know what's barring them from applying it to a male race.

[Gwenorai]

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I stated it before, I find it cringy - though I don't go after them. I'm on a centre that doesn't have much of an RP crowd. I think the hate comes from the fact there's always going to be bad apples who spoil a community, it happens in every single community where one will look down at another. Personal opinion after years of ESO, SWTOR - good old cantina ERP. I personally think it'd be much better to just take the character out of the game, and do a write up through discord or a forum board where you can have so much more detail rather than emote spam. I guess now you know why I find it cringy. I've come across plenty of mary sues with bad writing through my travels.

People take it as people want them just to ERP, don't want them for their lore or what they actually bring to the table in that department. They want them for aesthetic. I personally don't care, I do get tired having to keep reaffirming that I want to be a male character for my own preferences and it's not to ERP - as some people out there seem to equate wanting male Viera to ERP in a sexual and flamboyant manner. Some do. Some don't. Don't care.

edit - thanks bruh -High 5-

The difference between an RP'er who writes fantastical adventures, and another who wants to ERP with their characters, especially a child-like character is completely different.

Also this, all of this. Those in this thread beforehand wanted to ERP as children. I have zero qualms with anyone who writes a fantasy set in their own AU within this game. I do have a problem with those who have zero respect for those around them and are overly obnoxious. Sadly, these types are the 'loudest', and the ones you will have seen in the past screaming that Yoshida was a homophobe bigot.

[Mochamonarch]

I stated it before, I find it cringy - though I don't go after them. I'm on a centre that doesn't have much of an RP crowd. I think the hate comes from the fact there's always going to be bad apples who spoil a community, it happens in every single community where one will look down at another. Personal opinion after years of ESO, SWTOR - good old cantina ERP.

People take it as people want them just to ERP, don't want them for their lore or what they actually bring to the table in that department. They want them for aesthetic. I personally don't care, I do get tired having to keep reaffirming that I want to be a male character for my own preferences and it's not to ERP - as some people out there seem to equate wanting male Viera to ERP in a sexual and flamboyant manner. Some do. Some don't. Don't care.

But yeah, rather ya wouldn't quote me out of context xD Because now it's missing what I was responding to.

Sorry man, Didn't mean for you to take it like that. I mostly needed a more recent post mentioning erp to springboard my point off of, as this was something I've been holding in for a good while. Didn't mean to paint you in a bad light at all.

EDIT: Removed your quote. I got'chu fam.

[Senn]

This is my (compromise) preference for a design, body, and height base. (non-compromise would be far more difference between the two at the same setting)

This looks great and I would love to see something like this. Of course, with better looking proportions for the male viera.

[Tabbs]

Thought I'd share some fanart I made. It's not perfect but I had fun making it

https://imgur.com/xaeFBte