If you thought the healer DPS debate would change with the change...

[zylo1010]

I don't like this new mp cap. As a rdm I try to help when needed with res/cure if needed. But only having 10k Mana leavese dry if I Rez while trying to keep up my dps.

[Videra]

I love how often this topic comes up. You have two sides of one extreme bending over backwards to defend lazy people, and the other half jumping down the throats of the lazy people. I tend to agree with the latter, but how often this must be iterated on is completely insane.

[Miste]

Nerfs aint the answer thats a fact.

I wasn't saying nerfs was the answer? I honestly have no opinion yet on what needs to be done atm.

But uh....no? You can't claim that as a fact. You don't work on the job dev team or are part of their job balance math team.

[Avidria]

Because unless your tank is wall-to-wall pulling with the gear expected 10 levels prior or without a single mitigation skill, there is simply no way to deal no damage without idling.

OP explicitly said that they do damage when they're able to. ???

[Joven]

Person 1: I'll need you to be working constantly at the highest level you can because you determine the pace of all work done here.
Person 2: I'll need you to be working constantly at the highest level you can because you determine the pace of all work done here.
Person 3: You just need to sign whatever those guys finish. That's it. Don't even need to read it, really. Sure, you could do more, but someone mislabeled your job as "signatures guy" so I guess that's all we can expect of you.
Person 4: Take phone calls. That's it. We get a few per day. Sure, you could do everything the main guys do at only slightly lesser efficiency over your massive amounts of spare time, but someone mislabeled your job as "phone guy" so I guess that's all we can expect of you.

You then pay them all the same.

...See the issue?

All I can say to that is if you don't like the pay/work ratio then change jobs.

If I'm tanking and no-one is dying then I don't care if the healer is flicking boogers at the mobs the whole fight. I'm not gonna scold someone just because they're not maximizing their downtime. I chose the role I'm in so I'm going to do my role regardless of what it entails.

[Alaray]

A healer should contribute to damage output, just as a tank should, just as DPS should contribute to mitigation and healing if they have the skills to utilize in order to do so.

Sometimes a healer can't commit as many resources to damage, and that's fine. But if you're just sitting there and doing nothing, it's just bad form to the other people in the party.

As a tank, I maximize my damage output in order to make pulls last shorter, so that I can perhaps save a CD or two for the next pull. Rather than run out in the middle and nothing's died yet. Which then, kills me.

Same for bosses, if you can kill it before a TB, you saved the tank a CD they can now just use. Unless you want the tank to just eat the damage raw and heal it.

I'm not even saying maximize dps. Just throw out holies on WHM, they're great. They're mitigation, on top of damage.

Throw out spells during downtime to make the pull last that much less time so maybe my next use of rampart doesn't come up in the same pull.

I don't yell at people, or scold them, but you can feel the difference between a healer trying to do damage and one who doesn't care. The latter frustrates me, as well, when I see non-stop casts on me when I'm basically full, wasting their MP and creating a struggle when damage intake is higher.

If you want to idle in dungeons and eat your dinner, go in with trusts. They won't care.

[xJimmehx]

This is why the aliens wont visit us.

[ADVSS]

This is why the aliens wont visit us.

..............Ascians.

[CorbinDallas]

Y'all are defending zero DPS citing "muh mp for aoe heals" when you have like 10 different off globals to heal with. Use them instead of sitting on them. They're free. Not using them is a massive waste.

[Niko_Kishiko]

Try to find friends to play with as much as you can and just play with randoms as little as possible. Let the rude arses sit in que.