THM/BLM MP Crisis/Solutions.

[Jennestia]

Oh well....

Yeah, but that's to be expected from him lol. MP conservation will no doubt be better with convert, but a lot of mages now just doesn't seem to really try to use MP efficiently to the best of their ability, some still have the mind set they need to blow through all of their MP as fast as possible as the battle begins.

[tachikoma]

When a thm can push out 2-3 times as much damage as every other dd class it needs a balance check and that is limited mp ifrit is absolutely raped by thms can only imagine if i had convert and a bard for ballad

[Vanguard319]

I think that mages should be able to chain spells with a reduction in mp cost, my logic here is that mages are already glass cannons to begin with, so it's kind of the usual dilemma: Do you nuke for thousands of dmg, and risk death? or do you toss fewer nukes for the sake of hate control? As it is now, Thm doesen't have much staying power in a long fight, you're effectively useless after about five minutes if you're lucky.

[tachikoma]

In any fight against anything with high defense thm and blm is going to provide the most dps with the current status formulas we have now if you think thm can only last 5 min with high dps means your doing it wrong

Against low defense fights like moogle thm struggles in a pure dps role but shows it's strength in aoe bind

[TehDon]

Generally people try to post to be constructive or helpful, unless they are trolling.

Our THM generally nuke down whisker and ruffle during pre-memento phase. Post-memento they focus mostly on CC, keeping heavy on as many as possible and binding as many as possible. They still nuke when they can to help finish off the current kill target, but they by no means just spam till they are oom then stand there.

Flaming people and trolling posts should not be tolerated on the official forums. Just because you -think- you are gods gift to the gaming world, does not in fact make you gods gift to the gaming world. Please keep negative comments to yourself...

[ApplePie]

I do like how you broke down the whole party strategy out of 1 single parse results... Assuming he is just standing there going oom and doing nothing else to contribute is laughable. Your fellow LS mates who have run parties with vex and me have even pointed out how well vex does at his class.

There is more then one way to play your class effectively.

My LS mates have told me how Vex plays. Sorry that I'm right.

Generally people try to post to be constructive or helpful, unless they are trolling.

Our THM generally nuke down whisker and ruffle during pre-memento phase. Post-memento they focus mostly on CC, keeping heavy on as many as possible and binding as many as possible. They still nuke when they can to help finish off the current kill target, but they by no means just spam till they are oom then stand there.

Flaming people and trolling posts should not be tolerated on the official forums. Just because you -think- you are gods gift to the gaming world, does not in fact make you gods gift to the gaming world. Please keep negative comments to yourself...

How do you deal more than 50k damage from just "nuking when possible".... It is just as much as a troll to whiteknight defend your own linkshell for the sake of defending them.

Again, I've done this fight. I've seen mages who do 50k damage. They don't "CC," period. They just spam nuke. They don't "assist," period. They just spam nuke. People who just focus on parse hopefully will be the first ones banned. Posting pictures of USING A 3RD PARTY CLIENT not getting banned is something amazing.

[Anon]

Also Meele have huge CD"s on their combos, so they aren't -just- limited by TP so comparing TP and MP directly is a pretty fail comparison since there are more aspects involved than just that.

Did you forget spells have cool downs too effectively giving the combos a cool down? Thundaga feels like it takes an eternity to recharge and we have to wait even longer for parsimony to be up because it's more efficient that way as others have pointed out and you can't afford to be inefficient. Also if thundaras' stun goes off the cool down lasts longer.

[SnickleWhiskers]

Did you forget spells have cool downs too effectively giving the combos a cool down?

Thundaga - I find it useless for the time it takes to cast is isn't worth it for the amount of mana and damage it takes. Use more thunders.

In a party you'll be killing shit so fast it doesn't even matter.

During a leve you'll be killing shit so fast that you won't be using thundaga anyways since you'll be sparing your mana to get it done for the sweet exp boost for completion.

In an ifrit battle that stun proc isn't going to happen. While thundara is cooling down use stone/thunder hoping the magic debuff procs so you can end up getting a free thundara combo w/o being capable of being partially resisted.

mana management - takes 2 minutes at most if you empty your mana gauge to get all that mana back. To me this isn't an issue anymore and with bard refresh and convert coming along in a month this shouldn't be an issue anymore unless convert has a nice fat 20 minute CD.
Stand still better.

[Anon]

The point of mention thundaga was to prove to that person that a 3rd tier combo for mages has a cool down on combos exactly like a TP user so it is directly comparable.

Well during those two minutes I watch 1 -3 moogles die while itching to get in to the fight; not fun. BTW it takes longer to regen MP in a REAL fight; the hate doesn't instantly drop like when Ifrit jumps to dash and chameleon doesn't make a noticeable difference unlike shroud of saints.

Edit: It's possible convert could potentially have a 15 min cool down like the monks Hundred Fists and a bards Ballad of the Magi could potentially only restore 3mp per tick like our current Auto-Regen.

[SnickleWhiskers]

Crap you're right about that magi song it could be as useless as auto refresh is now I forget that SE knows how to screw some things over like that.