Giving back scholar dps skills?

[Kyumimi]

I feel a lot of Tank and DPS mains lose track why Scholar feels so bad to play now. Imagine a Black Mage with Astral Ice potency cut by more than half, and losing Manafont entirely. That is what the SCH changes boil down to, our Job punishes us for taking advantage of our entire kit, which includes dealing damage.

Just maintaining Bio drains almost more MP than Aetherflow can restore, which mind you is already just a pitiful 1k MP every 60 seconds. If you add Ruin and Adloquium to that you're well in a range where you'd need at least double that MP regeneration just to break even. By giving us back an Energy Drain equivalent, let's call it 'Manafocus' that grants us an additional 10% MP at the cost of one Aetherflow stack, we could trade in healing potency to sustain our MP better, which in turn gives us more usage of Adloquium and we can assist as a tertiary DPS even if it's as simple as using Bio and Ruin between healing.

[Ariane]

Good thing art of war is instant and sch also has a crap ton of ogcd healing. It's almost like that was the strength of AoW and as much as the extra mp cost hurts, was intended to balance that strength against? I've done a few dungeons where I would weave lustrates between AoW spamming to keep the tank up.

I doubt it was intended. It's just instant because aura blast is instant. Like always they put the minimum effort into healers, so they instead of making a new animation, they just reused an animation from a PVP ability.

[Brandedblade]

I doubt it was intended. It's just instant because aura blast is instant. Like always they put the minimum effort into healers, so they instead of making a new animation, they just reused an animation from a PVP ability.

It feels like it had more thought put into it then Miasma II. At least it gives sch aoe damage without usurping another skills viability as a weaving tool.

[Billythepancake]

The only problem with ruin II as weaving is that, unless you're weaving in 2 abilities, or have to move across the map, it is better to just clip broil. AoW is literally only useful in AoE situations, Miasma II had uses in single target situations, but it wasn't overly broken because it had a huge MP costs, use it too much and you could easily screw yourself over. Ruin II is still insanely situational, sure, it's better, but still not the end all, be all weaving tool they want us to think it is.

[Reimmi]

It's kinda funny, all i miss is energy drain, and i prefered miasma 2 to the new aoe, but other than that scholar still has by far the most buttons out of all my jobs, so it's still fun, as long as i'm not at low level content where damage is too low and i just press 1/2 while the fairy keeps everyone up

Only 3 things i feel need to happen:
Aetherflow needs to be useable outside combat again, if they don't add energy drain back this change was 100% pointless, having extra healing at the start of the fight never matters
Energy drain back, it feels bad to have to dump stacks on over healing, if not this, then i would like to see a OGCD Shield that uses our aetherflow added, since thats not overhealing
Last, art of war needs to cost 600, it's instant unlike whm/ast's aoe, and it costs more, so our MP gets drained way too fast

[LariaKirin]

Just maintaining Bio drains almost more MP than Aetherflow can restore, which mind you is already just a pitiful 1k MP every 60 seconds. If you add Ruin and Adloquium to that you're well in a range where you'd need at least double that MP regeneration just to break even. By giving us back an Energy Drain equivalent, let's call it 'Manafocus' that grants us an additional 10% MP at the cost of one Aetherflow stack, we could trade in healing potency to sustain our MP better, which in turn gives us more usage of Adloquium and we can assist as a tertiary DPS even if it's as simple as using Bio and Ruin between healing.

Miasma II vs AoW
I find the complaints about AoW funny, considering it costs you 8% of your MP pool and Miasma II used to cost ~9.3%. Running out of MP due to AoW spam is a problem, but the same thing wasn't a problem with Miasma II? I can only assume most complains about this stem from the fact that WHM/AST have low costs on their AoE. Jealousy, basically.



At 1100 Piety you regen an extra 50 MP per tick. This is easily reachable and practically unavoidable at level 80. This is what you get per minute:
- 10% from Aetherflow
- 35% from Lucid Dreaming
- 50% from passive regen
You are restoring 95% of your MP pool per minute.

In Stormblood:
- 12.5% from Aetherflow
- ~19% from Lucid Dreaming
- 40% from passive regen
- up to 26% from ED (up to 4 per minute)
You were restoring ~98% of your MP pool per minute (if using only ED).

So what did you have extra in Stormblood?
- ~11% from Refresh
- ~8% from Mana Shift

What do you have extra in Shadowbringers?
- Significantly more OGCD options that have zero MP cost


So what is the issue? People are not mashing their Lucid Dreaming button on cooldown.

[KDSilver]

Miasma II vs AoW
I find the complaints about AoW funny, considering it costs you 8% of your MP pool and Miasma II used to cost ~9.3%. Running out of MP due to AoW spam is a problem, but the same thing wasn't a problem with Miasma II? I can only assume most complains about this stem from the fact that WHM/AST have low costs on their AoE. Jealousy, basically.

I won't be arguing about the real topic here, which is miasma II vs AoW, but things have to be put back into their real context.
When we had Miasma II, we also had aetheflow traits and energy drain, which allowed us more flexibility with our mp managment, which is not the case right now. (+ the fact that the fairy were a bit more stronger)

Also, loosing that flexibility is something that hurt the entire design of scholar with its mp capacity. We never play with the same group, and sadly, precisely on an expansion launch, you'll have to heal with a lot of dps who barely do damage even on aoe situation. pug is pug. If a pull take too much time, rip your mana. It happened before, but your AF was every 45s with some energy drain at our disposal if needeed, and dissipation as well to gain another 3 AF stacks and AF at 30s.

+ like what you say, refresh and mana shift.

+ tanks loose some defensive CD as well, like convalescence for example and such. Which might require sometimes more healing outside of our oGCD, even if we are plenty effective with those right now.

A lot of things have to be considered and i even think I forget some.

[LariaKirin]

I won't be arguing about the real topic here, which is miasma II vs AoW, but things have to be put back into their real context.
When we had Miasma II, we also had aetheflow traits and energy drain, which allowed us more flexibility with our mp managment, which is not the case right now. (+ the fact that the fairy were a bit more stronger)

Also, loosing that flexibility is something that hurt the entire design of scholar with its mp capacity. We never play with the same group, and sadly, precisely on an expansion launch, you'll have to heal with a lot of dps who barely do damage even on aoe situation. pug is pug. If a pull take too much time, rip your mana. It happened before, but your AF was every 45s with some energy drain at our disposal if needeed, and dissipation as well to gain another 3 AF stacks and AF at 30s.

+ like what you say, refresh and mana shift.

+ tanks loose some defensive CD as well, like convalescence for example and such. Which might require sometimes more healing outside of our oGCD, even if we are plenty effective with those right now.

A lot of things have to be considered and i even think I forget some.

Did I not specifically mention the context right below that? Do you not understand that your MP Regen now is pretty much the same as it was in Stormblood?

Let me put it in another perspective... Say that, in Stormblood, you had your own personal Manashift and Refresh beach. You spent 1 aetherflow stack on ED per minute. You kept the other 3 aetherflow stacks for healing. The MP regen you had in that situation is essentially identical to the MP regen you have now.

Scale an ability bar to 200%, put Lucid Dreaming on it and slap it in the middle of your screen. Every time you see it off cooldown, click it. I guarantee you that you will feel just as comfortable as you did in Stormblood, MP-wise.

[Deceptus]

I feel a lot of Tank and DPS mains lose track why Scholar feels so bad to play now. Imagine a Black Mage with Astral Ice potency cut by more than half, and losing Manafont entirely. That is what the SCH changes boil down to, our Job punishes us for taking advantage of our entire kit, which includes dealing damage.

Just maintaining Bio drains almost more MP than Aetherflow can restore, which mind you is already just a pitiful 1k MP every 60 seconds. If you add Ruin and Adloquium to that you're well in a range where you'd need at least double that MP regeneration just to break even. By giving us back an Energy Drain equivalent, let's call it 'Manafocus' that grants us an additional 10% MP at the cost of one Aetherflow stack, we could trade in healing potency to sustain our MP better, which in turn gives us more usage of Adloquium and we can assist as a tertiary DPS even if it's as simple as using Bio and Ruin between healing.

Agreed, without Energy Drain, Aetherflow needs to go back to the old 20% that it was before. Energy Drain was the whole reason Aetherflow was nerfed to begin with.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Give us Energy Drain back and stop forcing us to be in combat for Aetherflow and I'll be OK (not good but OK). Though, as it stands right now I will probably be ditching my formerly favorite job.