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    Quote Originally Posted by Seif View Post
    If anything I think we can all agree on the fact that XIV's dev team is at least a little more attuned to what the majority of the customers want especially compared to XIII-folk.

    Even simple things like character designs from Nomura are not in the game even though the travesty of X-2's games have been a joke for a decade now.

    I guess it's more the tone if the interview that sounds like there's no hope because Kitase insists that they haven't and aren't moving away from FF series' core strengths with time travel and even more tacky pink bras in j-pop ballads.
    Are you insinuating that Nomura's character designs are bad?
    I can't comprehend your statement but if this is the case; you're insane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KamikazeMan View Post
    So basically SE thinks every single change they make is for the best for the fanbase and we know nothing about what we want. Great. I guess we know what not to expect for 2.0 - _ -
    Player's actually don't know what they want because it changes with the current flow of things -- Players want one thing one day then they say "nonono I want THIS instead!" the next since they never think of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    Are you insinuating that Nomura's character designs are bad?
    I can't comprehend your statement but if this is the case; you're insane.

    Lol no I'm not ,quite the opposite. He only did faces of XIII-2 chars which is basically almost the same as not working on the game at all. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    It's been pretty much established for a long time that FF fanbase is a headless chicken waiting to be put out of it's misery.
    Lol.. this made me laugh. I can kind of see what you mean, can you elaborate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    Are you insinuating that Nomura's character designs are bad?
    I can't comprehend your statement but if this is the case; you're insane.
    Bad is too broad of a word to describe XIII's character designs. Ridiculous, narcissistic, flamboyant, those are better words. Seriously if you look at FFX the designs are kind of cool going from fantasy before that and the semi sci fi setting and just looking at the whole scope of it. Lulu's dress of belts, Tidus' ridiculous accessorization - I think in a way it could pass for extreme fashion design at its best. I think it was acceptable in X but then Nomura went completely overboard. FFXIII is purely ridiculous. In the first hour you have people running around in their underwear shooting weapons in a battle, some people in hooded robes, others with their ass hanging out, all of them dressed like some mad scientist fashion student got ahold of them. It just wasn't believable for a second. All it established was how ridiculous and narcissistic the creators of Final Fantasy had become. Instead of humbling himself before some kind of theme, Nomura went wild (I think) into a spazzed out trip of self indulgent narcissistic wish fulfillment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennestia View Post
    Player's actually don't know what they want because it changes with the current flow of things -- Players want one thing one day then they say "nonono I want THIS instead!" the next since they never think of the game.
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    Also, the content was right there, but players weren't smart enough to find it.

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    Here is another good one:

    [People who play RPGs are] depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucifer View Post
    Are you insinuating that Nomura's character designs are bad?
    I can't comprehend your opinion; you're insane because you have tastes opposing of my own! Leave this place foul demon! Never again will you disgrace this land with your bilious tastes!
    I'm insinuating that!
    Hell I'll outright say it! Nomura's character designs are awful!


    His monster and environment designs however are pretty cool.

    I've just always preferred Yoshida's art. So much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennestia View Post
    Player's actually don't know what they want because it changes with the current flow of things -- Players want one thing one day then they say "nonono I want THIS instead!" the next since they never think of the game.
    The fanbase knowing what they want doesn't = listening to every single fan. It means getting a general understanding of what fans want based on what's high in demand. SE's logic for the last few years seems to be "Well...let's try doing this instead! It's never been done and our fans will definitely appreciate it." while ignoring the obvious things fans have been craving for. It's good to be innovative and try new things, but when you decide to try things nobody asks for rather than take care of your fanbase first, then it leads to problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KamikazeMan View Post
    The fanbase knowing what they want doesn't = listening to every single fan. It means getting a general understanding of what fans want based on what's high in demand. SE's logic for the last few years seems to be "Well...let's try doing this instead! It's never been done and our fans will definitely appreciate it." while ignoring the obvious things fans have been craving for. It's good to be innovative and try new things, but when you decide to try things nobody asks for rather than take care of your fanbase first, then it leads to problems.
    I think you really summed up the situation perfectly.
    Kitase seems to genuinely think that what X-2, final fantasy my life as a king, XIII and XIII-2 - director is doing to the brand is a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    I'm insinuating that!
    Hell I'll outright say it! Nomura's character designs are awful!


    His monster and environment designs however are pretty cool.

    I've just always preferred Yoshida's art. So much more.
    QFT ^

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