Shadowbringers Monk is grueling and torturous in Dungeons - A regression to 2.0 monk

[Takiwaki]

I need to say this again there are lots of wrong Info being spread about anatman. It does max stacks from 0 in combat and it does max time to 16 if u have 4 stacks already. Note all this is in combat. I have been using this skill a lot and i do like it and it works well. SSS on the other hand should be ogcd.

[silverdragontyr]

Well good it works from 0, still it shouldn't be a 78 skill. Should be 30 or at most 50 as it's tied to a big part of Mnk combat sustain. SSS should either be oGCD, or have better incentive to use it. Like Guaranteed crit and makes the next attack, regardless of what it is crit. Then change TK to do potency damage based off stacks. Like, used at 1 stack? 100 potency 2 200 ect. This would allow combos again of decent timing.

[Takiwaki]

Well good it works from 0, still it shouldn't be a 78 skill. Should be 30 or at most 50 as it's tied to a big part of Mnk combat sustain. SSS should either be oGCD, or have better incentive to use it. Like Guaranteed crit and makes the next attack, regardless of what it is crit. Then change TK to do potency damage based off stacks. Like, used at 1 stack? 100 potency 2 200 ect. This would allow combos again of decent timing.

SSS is meant to be used during any instance where mechanics move you away from the boss for a few secs. Unfortnately being on gcd makes it clunky as you cant just hit it, do mechanic then head back to boss. What would be cool is make it so that if used the next shoulder tackle crits, or gets a buff of some sort allowing for some synergy. I dunno. I do not think things are that bad but it could be better. Giving us a way to regain stacks of gl faster would be cool. Even some way to freeze stacks while running. A simple buff to TK making anatman work while moving would do wonders in dungeons.

[Ramura_Sono]

I need to say this again there are lots of wrong Info being spread about anatman. It does max stacks from 0 in combat and it does max time to 16 if u have 4 stacks already. Note all this is in combat. I have been using this skill a lot and i do like it and it works well. SSS on the other hand should be ogcd.

You're half right. It does grant stacks form 0 while in combat, however if you're already at max stacks it does not refresh the gl timer to 16.

Also just a heads up, Enlightenment does no damage at maximum range.

[Takiwaki]

You're half right. It does grant stacks form 0 while in combat, however if you're already at max stacks it does not refresh the gl timer to 16.

Also just a heads up, Enlightenment does no damage at maximum range.

Are you sure? I swear i used it a good few times at max stacks during down time and it set it to 16 while freezing stacks.

EDIT: not my video. 5:20 mark. Clearly shows full stacks being refreshed to 16 with anatman during transition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVq0yF_0aHg&t=260s

Its stupid that this is even something we have to figure out lol.

[silverdragontyr]

The problem with SSS simply refreshing GL is due to server delay and just how some bosses are timed, it usually cuts it very close to maintaining GL through time if you can make it all, forcing players to focus on trying to get close to rush boss to refresh stacks distracting from avoiding AoE or reading boss. That said, this is where Anatman is supposed to be used, but then argues if we have and are supposed to use Anatman in these situations, then whats the point of having SSS refresh stacks? It's nice but redundant of an ability that could use different effects instead of having three abilities that all kind of serve the same purpose at 80 albeit with different uses. (PB,Anat,SSS)

It ignored core issue that GL timer is too low if they're going to have monster vanish for so long. It doesn't fit that current fight design. Personally I say go making Mnk high risk high reward. Make them want to stay in the fight. Make GL have an unreachable cap of stacks. Something like 50-100 with each stack increasing 1-2%. The longer a Mnk pushes it, the stronger they become. Then have TK potency based off GL stacks, so it becomes this gamble of how far can you push it before boss vanishes to maximize your TK burst.

[SwashBuccaneer]

Glad to see it's not just me. I was loving the Monk in SB and was leveling it and having fun at 64.

Came back to him for Shadowbringers and can't stand the class. Plays like crap and greased lighting still takes too long to build and drops too fast.

[Takiwaki]

The problem with SSS simply refreshing GL is due to server delay and just how some bosses are timed, it usually cuts it very close to maintaining GL through time if you can make it all, forcing players to focus on trying to get close to rush boss to refresh stacks distracting from avoiding AoE or reading boss. That said, this is where Anatman is supposed to be used, but then argues if we have and are supposed to use Anatman in these situations, then whats the point of having SSS refresh stacks? It's nice but redundant of an ability that could use different effects instead of having three abilities that all kind of serve the same purpose at 80 albeit with different uses. (PB,Anat,SSS)

It ignored core issue that GL timer is too low if they're going to have monster vanish for so long. It doesn't fit that current fight design. Personally I say go making Mnk high risk high reward. Make them want to stay in the fight. Make GL have an unreachable cap of stacks. Something like 50-100 with each stack increasing 1-2%. The longer a Mnk pushes it, the stronger they become. Then have TK potency based off GL stacks, so it becomes this gamble of how far can you push it before boss vanishes to maximize your TK burst.

SSS is supposed to be used during mechanics where you have to run away from the boss and you lose a couple gcds of dps. for example having to move to drop an aoe somewhere quickly etc. You do not have to use it but its a dps increase using it if you are gonna lose a couple gcds due to mechanics. Even if you are not gonna lose stacks, its meant to make up for the loss of dps from moving away from the boss for 4secs. Even so I wish it was ogcd, so I can just pop it everytime i move away from the boss.

Anatman is for phase transitions. It builds stacks from 0 so you can TK freely before those long transitons where you dont have to be moving.

[Moenblyss]

Imagine caring about how fun dungeons are in 2019

[Physic]

Imagine caring about how fun dungeons are in 2019

if the game isnt fun in the content that people spend most of their intitial time in....


well, ill just say i think that type of game would slowly bleed out.


i think their goal would essentially need to be, general combat is fun (satisfying and thrilling), and high end combat is challenging/engaging