To healers enjoying 5.0: a gil for your thoughts?

[zeopower6]

Got SCH to 80 and OMG Seraph is incredible. Solo healing SCH is very possible with all this and Blessing....

Also Blessing has a bit of an annoying delay. Can that be adjusted? :/

[ElainaMason]

AST is fine if they shorten the Divination cooldown. The changes take some getting used to but I am having fun still.


They removed spread, road, remove spread and remove road, that gives you 4 free keyboard slots.

I clicked those skills that have been removed. For the other skills it has been okay. So no keyboard slots at all ^^

[Naychan]

Healers just don't like that we're becoming more traditional healer roles.

I'm just wondering where you are getting the idea about traditional healer roles?

[Semirhage]

Healers just don't like that we're becoming more traditional healer roles. I actually like it. Healing was trivialized for so long in this game and people were fooled into thinking that healer DPS was something more than it really is: mediocre spells, doing mediocre damage mixed in with shallow gameplay.

Inplying the healing kits in this game aren't shallow gameplay.

Ooo, one person took damage. Use one of the three anti-one-person-damage buttons. Four people took damage, use one of the three anti-everyone-took-damage buttons.

The stupidification of the damage kits didn't magically make the healing complex or especially interesting. Just made the downtime more boring.

[Martyr]

I'm always curious about this "dps healer" meta. It feels like it's such a small portion of the community. I might just have been lucky, but every raid static I've been in couldn't have cared less if I dps'd, as long as I did the mechanics right and kept everyone on their feet. I've had more than a few parses while doing progression where I literally had zero DPS, but we got through the raids fine. Obviously, once I became comfortable within the rythm of things and had raids on farm, I'd throw out more dps, but I can't remember ever having anyone call me out for not dps'ing.

I've been mostly a scholar main, though, so maybe it was a bit of SCH priveledge or something.

As far as the topic goes, I do miss having my Shadowflare and Energy Drain. I find myself subconsciously hitting the buttons for them during slow healing moments, or when aetherflow is up and I still have stacks. I'd be happy to have the DPS abilities back, simply because people who believe in the green DPS meta will be happy to have them, and all the people who don't want to dps would be happy to ignore them. Having them literally doesn't hurt anyone except healers trying to get into the very tippy top progression raids, or people in groups over obsessed about the meta, in which case said healer would be better served finding more like minded players, not restructuring healers from the ground up.

[Syrehn]

I'm always curious about this "dps healer" meta. It feels like it's such a small portion of the community. I might just have been lucky, but every raid static I've been in couldn't have cared less if I dps'd, as long as I did the mechanics right and kept everyone on their feet. I've had more than a few parses while doing progression where I literally had zero DPS, but we got through the raids fine. Obviously, once I became comfortable within the rythm of things and had raids on farm, I'd throw out more dps, but I can't remember ever having anyone call me out for not dps'ing.

It depends on what kind of raiding you're doing though. If you're just doing the hyper casual, friends and fun, don't care if we progress, we'll get to it when we get to it raiding then healer DPS won't matter that much. If you're doing any type of Savage raiding/progression typically you'll have the healers DPS'ing to help push that progression. IMO, there shouldn't be a time where we're just standing still looking around. If we're not healing we SHOULD be using the DPS parts of our kits and helping out the rest of our team; regardless of if they would call us out for it or not.

P.S: I miss Aero lll and hate that my fancy new Misery AOE dps ability is locked behind blowing potentially wasteful healing Lily stacks to access it.

[Gravagar]

This is an opinion piece. It's important to respect that.

I'm pretty sure I did that when I asked for more details on an opinion you expressed earlier.

Could you explain what part sounds like putting words in your mouth, or what part has little substance? You lost me there.

I'd also ask why you're calling what I said fallacies / disrespectful / elitism. I stated that I'm mindful that a positive aspect of these changes is that the new healers are more approachable for new players, which if I'm not mistaken, is evidence I'm mindful of avoiding elitism. I've also partly changed that opinion of mine based on the responses in this thread; opinions need not be set in stone.


Bringing it back on topic... There's one thing that you'd be fair to assume that I believe without evidence that you could give me flak about- that there's going to be a rebalance of the rebalance given the 5.0 release's reception. You gave a lot of details about what you liked, I'm not sure I agree with them personally, but I'm not attacking your beliefs so much as sharing the differences in perspectives to get a clearer picture of a future where those who benefit from the rebalance-rebalance come from both camps, rather than just one.


So far, the number one universally reviled intentional design choice I see is that combat-only Aetherflow was a huge mistake, and if it benefitted anyone, those scholars are awfully quiet.

[Daws]

I'm loving WHM. The new lily system and afflatus spells feel great and add a bit of urgency to their kit, Assize is still the best healer spell in the game imo, and the job just feels strong and efficient. It reminds me of Holy Priest in WoW where I just have a tool for everything. I feel spoiled as WHM tbh. It's going to be hard for me to try AST now with its simpler healing kit.

I didn't have a great first impression with SCH, I started leveling it before WHM, but was thrown off by the new feel of the job. I do, however, like the look of SCH's healing kit at 80. I'll no doubt give it another go.

[Lynesse]

Snip.

You were passive aggressive and condescending, and I explained why. Since you didn't address any of that, I'm going to assume I'm in the right. You can't ask for my opinion, and when it differs from yours, act superior to me. That was wrong of you.

[Kolsykol]

I like WHM a lot.
I enjoy the more holy-oriented theme.