Yoshi-p loves Skyrim and Monster hunter 3rd

[LillithaFenimore]

FFXIII-2 has been recieving perfect scores as well -- By the logic of the overtone "Skyrim has perfect scores so its a perfect game", we won't hear any complaints when XIII-2 hits western shores, yes? Since perfect media scores = perfect game, based on what I'm reading.

I didn't buy Skyrim until I heard how much fun it was...and when I bought it...it was awesome...I can't say the same for another FF series...I will be holding my money until I hear otherwise...I refuse to let scores guide me. I bought XII out of loyalty...and I don't remember a thing from it. I bought XIII out of loyalty, other than the lesbianesque feel from the two girls, I hated it. And I bought FFXIV because I played FFXI and had so much fun in that one, thinking I would get my money's worth from FFXIV...boy was I so so wrong...won't be playing again until 2.0...and only if I hear it's good. I will never ever purchase another FF unless I hear rave reviews about it from players...

[quantumsaint]

FFXIII-2 has been recieving perfect scores as well -- By the logic of the overtone "Skyrim has perfect scores so its a perfect game", we won't hear any complaints when XIII-2 hits western shores, yes? Since perfect media scores = perfect game, based on what I'm reading.

I have mixed feelings about FFXIII-2. Even though I got platinum trophy in FFXIII on PS3, I had a number of complaints with the game. Apparently a number of those complaints have been addressed in FFXIII-2, but I don't have a 360 or a PS3 anymore, so I won't be able to play it. I don't know if I'd want to, even if I still had a console. I've been a FF fan since 1990, but after FFXIV (which I used to like, but don't care much for anymore) and FFXIII (which I really tried to like), I just don't care anymore. FF died in all but its name when Sakaguchi left. That's my incredibly subjective opinion, but I stand by it. Some places may have given FFXIII-2 perfect scores, but will it receive the amount of perfect scores Skyrim did? I doubt it. The consensus is the important thing. If you had your own magazine, you could rate FFXIII-2 perfectly, but that doesn't mean dick if the rest of the world rates it a 5/10. The consensus is that Skyrim is a great game, which most people agree with, but I don't see FFXIII-2 reaching that same (nearly) universal consensus.

[LillithaFenimore]

Skyrim does have a lot of story, but we can't kid ourselves..they're generic fantasy storylines we've heard a million times before lol, some even presented in much better fashion.

You can't look at Skyrim in a stand alone story tbh. You really need to see it as a chapter in a series. It's like taking a walk through history, and your character is a witness to it. That is how I see it anyways since all the culture and lore continue into the next one. Including the in game books.

[LillithaFenimore]

I have mixed feelings about FFXIII-2. Even though I got platinum trophy in FFXIII on PS3, I had a number of complaints with the game. Apparently a number of those complaints have been addressed in FFXIII-2, but I don't have a 360 or a PS3 anymore, so I won't be able to play it. I don't know if I'd want to, even if I still had a console. I've been a FF fan since 1990, but after FFXIV (which I used to like, but don't care much for anymore) and FFXIII (which I really tried to like), I just don't care anymore. FF died in all but its name when Sakaguchi left. That's my incredibly subjective opinion, but I stand by it. Some places may have given FFXIII-2 perfect scores, but will it receive the amount of perfect scores Skyrim did? I doubt it. The consensus is the important thing. If you had your own magazine, you could rate FFXIII-2 perfectly, but that doesn't mean dick if the rest of the world rates it a 5/10. The consensus is that Skyrim is a great game, which most people agree with, but I don't see FFXIII-2 reaching that same (nearly) universal consensus.

Give FFXIII-2 time, we may all be presently surprised. We should wait until the gaming community feels about it as a whole before saying it won't reach what Skyrim did. I just personally won't purchase it until I hear otherwise.

Oh btw, I know this has absolutly nothing to do with gaming period but I just found out some great news and had to say it for the sake of just saying it!

I'M HAVING A LITTLE BOY YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

Okay, back to debate/chit chatting

[yukikaze_yanagi]

I played skyrim.
After 3 days, i hated skyrim. And not for the bugs.
The game it's honesly quite good, but still i don't like it

[Biggs]

Since the staggering amount of sales and perfect reviews Skyrim received aren't enough to convince you, and my anecdotal recollection of Yoshida saying many people complained that FFXIV didn't feel 'FF enough,' and adding Ifrit and airships were measures to address that complaint will probably also have little effect, I think I'm done here.

As soon as they give the option to move servers, i am moving to whichever one you are on lol. My hero man, thanks for putting in all the work i have no patience to do myself with jokers like these. The very definition of "Shut Down". Bravo

[Biggs]

FFXIII-2 has been recieving perfect scores as well -- By the logic of the overtone "Skyrim has perfect scores so its a perfect game", we won't hear any complaints when XIII-2 hits western shores, yes? Since perfect media scores = perfect game, based on what I'm reading.

Well, in this particular context, both his and mine, we were referring to its popularity, not on whether or not the game is "perfect". There is no such thing as a perfect game. Even the best made game in the world will have people that just don't like it for whatever reason. And thats ok. I certainly don't expect everyone to praise skyrim as the perfect game, the purpose of my post was only to hi-light that many, many people DID like it. Certainly any score given to any game by any company or magazine is purely subjective even at the best of times. You assume a great deal in what you read. Take whats being said at face value, it is a forum after all.

[MariyaShidou]

Skyrim does have a lot of story, but we can't kid ourselves..they're generic fantasy storylines we've heard a million times before lol, some even presented in much better fashion.

Most people don't play TES for the main story, they play them for the freedom






















And Daedric quests. Sanguine + Sheogorath makes a good combo. WABBAJACK.

[Tenshi]

Just a quick visual to illustrate Biggs's point:

http://www.mmorpg.com/features.cfm/v.../all/order/asc

Of course, that's just one site's list of reviews, so let's check out an aggregate score on metacritic:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fi...asy-xiv-online - 49

Ouch. How's that rate against other MMOs? Let's see:

http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/world-of-warcraft - 93
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/everquest-ii - 83
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/th...dows-of-angmar - 86
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/st...e-old-republic - 87
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/du...ine-stormreach - 74
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/rift - 84
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/aion -76
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/final-fantasy-xi -85
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/dark-age-of-camelot - 88
http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/wa...e-of-reckoning -86

Well, there is ten of the bigger MMO releases, all of which did better than FFXIV. You can continue to stack up scores against it, but the results are much the same. Although not entirely objective, you can see from mmorpg.com's list that it rates pretty close to the bottom of the MMOs which they have reviewed, substantiating Biggs's claim that it is ONE of the worst rated MMOs in history.

Hmm. So by submitting a link to a site that you admit isn't entirely objective and then posting a barrage of metacritic scores to show that FFXIV hasn't been well received, you succeed via an impressive wall of links in proving a point which wasn't being debated--namely, that FFXIV hasn't been well received. The "worst in history" part is tough to prove conclusively, I know. That's why I questioned it.

Skyrim has received over 50 perfect scores, and has taken its place as one of the top reviewed games on PC, 360, and PS3 on metacritic. Again, Biggs said "one of the best," which it is. Claim substantiated.
Not too many other games can boast that many perfect review scores. Maybe Ocarina of Time.

http://deltagamer.com/20526/skyrim-g...illion-dollars

It is the first western-made game to receive a perfect score from the Japanese gaming magazine Famitsu, which is a feat in itself.

http://www.1up.com/news/skyrim-weste...core-perfectly.

The constant mention of Skyrim's glowing reviews fails to mention that they vary quite a bit by platform (with only an 8.5 on 360 after 1,100+ user reviews).

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-...rolls-v-skyrim

I'm pretty sure an 8.5 does not make it one of the "best reviewed single player games of the decade" on 360, but hey, 360 players don't count, right? Because when you say something like "Skyrim is one of the best reviewed single player games of the decade" everyone understands that you really mean is **except by users on one of the three platforms that the game appears on.**

From the previous linked article: ""The overwhelming detail packed into the game really pulls you in," Famitsu assistant editor Norihiro Fujiwara wrote in his review. "From the music to the story and setting, everything is excellently done -- the main story isn't all that long, but there's an extremely large selection of subquests. Even the area around the first village you visit is packed with just a shocking amount of detail and volume." So while it is anecdotal evidence, Fujiwara is a journalist for a magazine that rarely gives out perfect scores, yet has given one to Skyrim for reasons much the same as Biggs listed. Of course, Fujiwara isn't the only one handing out a perfect review, and many other publications praised the title based on the immersion provided by the world that Bethesda has created.

Anecdotal, yes, I appreciate that you pointed that out. Seriously though, how does mentioning that publications praise the title for being immersive prove that Skyrim is immensely popular because of that? The answer is: it doesn't. There are a number of factors involved in the game's popularity, and while its immersive elements may be one of them, Biggs's statement that "Skyrim is immensly popular because the worlds Bethesda creates feel alive (bugs or not)" is conjecture, though not presented as such. As I pointed out.

Let's take a look at the first player poll, which attempted to figure out what issues players had with the game.
The question in particular is: 7. Which of the following issues you would like to see addressed first? (Choose only one)

The majority response was 36.8% that the lack of in game content needed to be addressed. Over everything else the majority of the player base wished to see more content before any other fixes, which indicates it is a main issue that people had with the game, just as Biggs claimed.

Fair enough. I hadn't seen these poll results, and given many of Biggs's previous claims, by the time I reached this point in his post I was pretty skeptical about such vague statements. Apparently it is the MAIN issue for the majority of FFXIV players. Interesting.

Since the staggering amount of sales and perfect reviews Skyrim received aren't enough to convince you, and my anecdotal recollection of Yoshida saying many people complained that FFXIV didn't feel 'FF enough,' and adding Ifrit and airships were measures to address that complaint will probably also have little effect, I think I'm done here.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, staggering sales don't indicate that people are "happy" or "got what they expected" out of Skyrim, only that the game has sold well. "Perfect reviews" is only the case for non-360 users. Stuff like this is where my objections to the original post came from. And on that note, I'm going to leave you the field and go actually play XIV, which I've been waiting all day to play.

[SuzakuCMX]

Disregard the above post, as it is a lot of straw grasping.