unlimited frame rate option has been removed from the client on 5.0

[Neoyoshi]

just a heads up, the ingame frame limiter is 100% garbage, if they haven't fixed this the game is gonna be a stutter fest for people with a high end rig and of course if you have a 90hz + monitor is useless now

I turned off the frame-rate limiter and it went up to 427 fps, which is..... i was like.. .what?

I know everyone's setup is different, but sometimes if feels like having either a cap, or a variable-cap limiter would make more sense. Because this engine is weird, because if a engine allows the FPS to go over 400+ simply because a person turns off the limiter, just feels weird to me.

[Zsplash]

Here are some people saying you can't see the difference in 60+ Hz. I was the same before I invested in a monitor.
I wanted primarily G-Sync and these monitors usually are 144Hz and more. My cousin is always like 5 years ahead of me and was encouraging me to get one.
As I plugged it in, it took me 1 second to see the difference: The mouse cursor in Windows moves so smooth! That was the best demonstration of what 144Hz are.

Right now, my GTX1080 gets 80-105 fps on 2560x1440. So the 90fps seem to be right in the golden middle. I wonder if it interfers with G-Sync (as I still have no clue how it really works. I just see every game runs smoother even when the framerate swings 20 frames up and down)..

G-sync operates at whatever your monitor's refresh rate is, so if it's 144hz, when you go above 144fps Gsync will stop. This is one reason frame limiters are actually nice (when well implemented). Typically you want to have vsync off everywhere including the application and then limit to about 141/142 (a few frames below cap).

FFXIV has always had a garbage in game frame limit setup though.

The silly part is the eye sees somewhere up to 1000 frames per second, there are huge diminishing returns at about 140-150 though where no one will be able to tell the difference between 150-300 basically. But it is not unnoticeable, people's eyes just adjust to the crappy framerate they play at and they think there's "no difference" because to them it looked smooth already.

Meanwhile, I can tell 30 - 60, 60 with gsync and 141 apart. Which lines up with reality, people need to stop believing there's no difference someday. lol

I can also tell when gsync hasn't been turned on, or if a monitor is set to 60 rather than 144 during normal desktop tasks.

[Insertcoins]

But if they don't care and it doesn't affect them, then why are they even posting?

Cause the patch isn't out yet and people are trying to past the time before they get back into the game. That and you can't stop people from expressing their opinion... rather if it matters or not.

[Pidgeon]

I turned off the frame-rate limiter and it went up to 427 fps, which is..... i was like.. .what?

I know everyone's setup is different, but sometimes if feels like having either a cap, or a variable-cap limiter would make more sense. Because this engine is weird, because if a engine allows the FPS to go over 400+ simply because a person turns off the limiter, just feels weird to me.

This is how every PC game will typically perform without V-Sync enabled. You'll also see this particularly in indie games if you turn off V-Sync as they spike to 800+ FPS. This causes an unneeded use of resources typically on the PC if it's over your monitor's refresh rate. This is why most here assumed the change was tied to 1.5x monitor refresh. This would still allow higher framerates when uncapped (if desired for some reason), but not to a silly point such as 8x your monitors native refresh rate. Essentially many thought it was to help counteract user error and to a degree help laptop users/similar who need to keep thermals in control, but don't understand framerates/v-sync and had set the None/Unlimited option.

What's surprising is to learn they seemingly are intending to cap the game at 90. I'm still really not entirely sure why such is, but it's an incredibly poor way of counteracting botting if that's the goal (one that won't work). The longer the game goes on and the better hardware gets for the average user along with the wider adoption of high refresh displays the worse this change will appear to regular low/medium end users. That said even a 1060 can run the game over the framerate cap currently so it's still bizarre. 1060 is squarely considered middle tier and is affordable for a lot of new adopters on PC.

[pakjs]

Hmm, if the cap brings the same issues as the the others besides unlimited, it will be a game breaker for me.

I have 3 monitors, middle one is for gaming with 1440p 165 Hz refresh rate (g-sync). On one of the side monitors i usually run netflix or youtube, makes grinding a lot less tedious. I usually set my gaming monitor refresh rate at 120 Hz, to avoid any potential issues with g-sync, due to games sometimes having 120 fps cap in them. And i play with borderless windowed, for obvious reasons.

Few weeks ago decided to give FFXIV a shot. Bought the base game, started playing, horrible micro stutter. FPS staying stable way above 60, no dips, but the micro stutter made the game unbearable. Googled for fixes, of them two solved the issue:
1) Run full screen resolution and turn on game optimization via Win 10 Game bar. Game ran butter smooth, stable 120 fps with g-sync, except for:
* Due to game optimization, every other program on windows had a horrible lag/stutter. So netflix and youtube unwatchable and trust me, i had more then enough resources available for them.
* Full screen on a multi monitor setup....
2) Unlimited - worked almost flawlessly in borderless windowed. No dips, always stays at 120 fps, butter smooth. That one small issues was:
* When i run netflix (fine with youtube) on a side monitor, the ingame fps jumps 140-150 and i get a very slight micro stutter (just to make clear, never happened with other games, so FFXIV specific). But that micro stutter is so miniscule that it's not a problem.

I personally don't mind playing at 90 fps, as long as it's a smooth gameplay. Anything 60+ with a smooth gameplay is fine for me. Horrible micro stutters aren't. So, if they force their V-Sync and it works the same way as till now, i'm dropping this game, it's not worth it.

And the stutter issue with their V-Sync on G-Sync monitors is a common issue. I don't see the reason why they would be doing it.
Brakes physics? I didn't even know they didn't work , though that explains why i didn't see any jiglin...
Bots? Would like to point out that they have said nothing about changing that 1/1 option. Assuming it stays as it is, it will still be as much fps as your monitor supports and your rig can dish out, so...

[Lumis_Arvalo]

If you read people—like me—having a hard time taking the way these complaints seriously as a "spit in your face," then you're just adding words to our mouths. It's not that we want you deprived of nice things, but it's the hyperbolic reaction of three times the console FPS being unacceptable, unplayable, ridiculous etc. It's an extreme over reaction that borders on comical.

It's a technical problem that is hampering the enjoyment of the game by a subset of legitimate players. It sure as hell is going to affect mine after 6 years of being uncapped. I'll agree that people saying it's "unplayable" are being hyperbolic, but "unacceptable" and "ridiculous" are 100% valid given that it has been uncapped up until now.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it isn't a problem or that it should be brushed aside.

[worldofneil]

I see all you guys quoting hundreds of FPS and I'm like woah... I've played just fine on 30-40 FPS for 6 years!

[Mightion]

I have a GTX1080 SC, and I run at 1080p at 60hz. I always play everything with vsync on... I can't stand the sight of tearing. Only time I can ever notice drops into the 50's or lower FPS-wise is when LL is crowded at the aetherye plaza.

[Eli85]

So again, you are trying to de legitimize a complaint because you never had the thing, so us being upset is comical to you.

If someone stole your car, and then returned a different car to you that was almost half as expensive... would you not be angry. I mean... you don't neeed the nice thing you worked hard for. But that's ok, so long as you have what you "NEED".

Why not take it a step further. Make everything be rationed out by the government while you're at it. Want to eat more because you are hungry? Too bad, this chart shows the minimum needed amount of food for your body type and that's what you get. Oh, and you get to work twice as hard for it as other people. Because why should anyone be rewarded for what they do?

TLDR: You are seriously saying that my hard earned purchase means nothing, because how dare I have it better than you.

The mental gymnastics you're doing to make these audacious claims are just as bad as the ridiculous exaggerations that are made in this thread. At this point I think you're deliberately not seeing the point to be argumentative. So once again: is the decrease frames bad? Yes. No dispute. Is it an "unacceptable solution or experience"? No. Not even close. The problem is the hyperbole, and it's amazing so many people can't see that.

It's a technical problem that is hampering the enjoyment of the game by a subset of legitimate players. It sure as hell is going to affect mine after 6 years of being uncapped. I'll agree that people saying it's "unplayable" are being hyperbolic, but "unacceptable" and "ridiculous" are 100% valid given that it has been uncapped up until now.

Just because it isn't a problem for you doesn't mean it isn't a problem or that it should be brushed aside.

I already said that I hope the fix gets reversed so that players can go back to their desired FPS. What I find confuddling is the exaggerated overreaction, which I do credit that you acknowledged. So I hope it gets fixed, but let's not scream the sky is falling because PC players have to deal with a horrendous 90 FPS.

[Renka777]

I've upgraded my whole setup for Shadowbringers and it will be a real shame if the game gonna put a hardlock on 90FPS (i use a 165hz monitor)

If it's still use that crappy fps limiter,there's still gonna be way to bypass that easily without any patch ...but if a hardlock thing is actually gonna be here,rip lol