Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[Gallus]

eVeRLaStInG fLiGhT~ This is the hill I'm willing to die on. Man, I hope it's changed since the media tour. They could save me a lot of time complaining on the forums.

That passive is totally irrelevant, you might want to look at it as some kind of cosmetic lore. It won't do or break anything. Having it removed is the same thing as having it. And they won't give you anything relevant in exchange for everlasting flight because they are well aware it's entirely useless.

[Mansion]

That passive is totally irrelevant, you might want to look at it as some kind of cosmetic lore. It won't do or break anything. Having it removed is the same thing as having it. And they won't give you anything relevant in exchange for everlasting flight because they are well aware it's entirely useless.

It would be delicate to balance a new effect too, because it comes out every two minutes, knowing that SMN already has Devotion on a 2min CD now. And with the foreseen rigidity of Trances, there is no way SMN would want to delay a Firebird Trance to align a potential buff to something.
I already said it but I'll repeat that for me, the real Lvl 80 ability is Revelation and Demi Phoenix itself, and Everlasting Flight is lore flavour, nothing problematic in itself.

[Len]

They increased Everlasting Flight's potency.

[remiff]

Yes and nerf Fester, and ruin potency too ...
and r4 rng proc deleted confirmed .
and ifrit auto potency hard nerf if ifrit melee scaling .

[Len]

Nerf to Ahk Morn and by extension, Revelation - 680 -> 650 potency.

Gonna die laughing if Everlasting Flight scales with mind.

[Angry_Evil]

Grants Further Ruin upon using Egi Assault.
Maximum Stacks: 4

Meanwhile on JP site

自身に「ルインラ強化」を付与する。
ルインラがルインジャに変化する。
最大スタック数：4
効果時間：永続
発動条件：エギアサルトIによる攻撃アクションの実行時

Give yourself a "ruinra reinforcement".
Ruinla changes to Ruinja.
Maximum number of stacks: 4
Duration: Permanent

Translators pls

Also saw question about necessity of 2 energy drain variations in comments to stream I was watching... and kinda yeah... Do we really need 2? Just make energy drain AOE with 60% flat falloff. Yeah 1st mob damage will be stronger but who cares? SMN already has huge aoe numbers and it won't change with ShB.

[Kurando]

snip.

Ruinla (should be Ruinra) is Ruin II, and Ruinja is Ruin IV, so the upgrade is just how it was in Stormblood, except now a trait is learned at lvl 74 which guarantees Ruin IV process when a pet uses an action (currently it's just a percentage chance). You can stack the Ruin IVs up to 4 max (with the new charge system) so they are available to use whenever you want to weave them in to your attacks.

[Angry_Evil]

Ruinla (should be Ruinra) is Ruin II, and Ruinja is Ruin IV, so the upgrade is just how it was in Stormblood, except now a trait is learned at lvl 74 which guarantees Ruin IV process when a pet uses an action (currently it's just a percentage chance). You can stack the Ruin IVs up to 4 max (with the new charge system) so they are available to use whenever you want to weave them in to your attacks.

I don't think you understood the point I was making. Ruinra\Ruin 2 - doesn't matter. What matters is eng description does not have "Duration: Permanent" info. And overall jp descriptions are less obscure and more straightforward.
PS
Though I'd actually like for traditional FF skills naming instead of 1 2 3 4 lol... but oh well whatever

[Kurando]

snip

Well it wasn't exactly clear what you wanted some clarification on.... Anyway the description is correct.

Enhanced Ruin II
Now has a maximum of 4 charges.
Duration has been made infinite.
Effect has been changed from "Grants a 15% chance that a pet action will trigger Further Ruin, upgrading Ruin II to Ruin IV" to "Grants Further Ruin upon using Egi Assault."

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/jobguide/summoner/

[Angry_Evil]

Well it wasn't exactly clear what you wanted some clarification on.... Anyway the description is correct.

I didn't say it wasn't correct? It's just... for what reason they hid duration under revisions? You won't have "revisions" button in game... Either way it's strange to not have r2 to r4 and duration description IN THE TOOLTIP.
Or you can look at fester description -

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 100.
Additional Effect: Cause wounds inflicted by Bio and Miasma spells to fester, dealing damage with a potency of 200 for one effect, or 300 for both.

It's kinda vague and made some people question if fester's potency will be 100+additional effect of 300 potency for 2 DOTs
But from how JP tooltip is it's pretty obvious that 0 - 100, 1 - 200 and 2 - 300

継続ダメージ効果無しのとき威力：100
継続ダメージ効果1つのとき威力：200
継続ダメージ効果2つのとき威力：300

They literally just give you the list without vague rp phrasing.