Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[ShariusTC]

a little dissapointed that bahamut and phoenix still follow you arround, they shoud make these 2 station by default and only move to SMN postion if we use "heel" command

[RissotoMissoto]

one mystery I want solved is, What is the "evergale" effect on garuda's auto attacks

[ShariusTC]

one mystery I want solved is, What is the "evergale" effect on garuda's auto attacks

sound like a DOT for me

[Len]

one mystery I want solved is, What is the "evergale" effect on garuda's auto attacks

This is Evergale, and it's only on Garuda's special ability Slipstream - @2:22

It's an extremely tiny ground effect caused by Garuda-egi's Slipstream. Would be better if it was wider (slightly smaller than Shadow Flare) with improved visibility.

[ShariusTC]

IIRC, that art of war spell get a same damage buff as tri-bind at the begin of stormblood, then they getting nerfed at the very first patch of 4.0 because devs think that SMN do too much of AOE damage, wonder they will back pedal again in 5.0

[Len]

Does Fountain of Fire (Ruin III) in Firebird Trance still benefit from Ruination? If so, does it also benefit from the increase in potency from having dots applied? Would that be too OP?

Ruin IV is a juicy 320 potency with Ruination + both dots applied.
Ruin III is 270 potency under the same conditions.

It would be pretty spicy if those effects still applied.

@XenabelleS Egi-assault II (Earthen Armor) has two charges, so we should be good in terms of mitigating damage without Titan-egi now. Black Mage manages just fine, and so will we.

[Zionite]

In the various media tour videos I've seen them use Bane right after tri-disaster. Do people still use bane after the nerf?
Or are they only doing it to spread ruination for outburst?

[Len]

In the various media tour videos I've seen them use Bane right after tri-disaster. Do people still use bane after the nerf?
Or are they only doing it to spread ruination for outburst?

Currently, in an AoE situation, Bane is used mainly to enter DWT quicker. I don’t know the math on whether or not Bane is more optimal than Painflare in certain situations, so I tend to go with painflare more often.

You have the right idea about it in Shadowbringers. It’s used for the spread of ruination for outburst and the fact it no longer costs Aetherflow.

[RissotoMissoto]

In the various media tour videos I've seen them use Bane right after tri-disaster. Do people still use bane after the nerf?
Or are they only doing it to spread ruination for outburst?

at the moment Bane vs Painflare is entirly a "how many targets are there" questions since 3x painflare is more DPS when Bane's deminishing returns start to come in in large enemy packs. but now that Bane is its own thing and doesnt take away from an Aetherstack like it used to there's really no reason not to use it, because you aren't losing a potential Painflare.

[Elenoe]

I've seen them use Bane right after tri-disaster. Do people still use bane after the nerf?

what nerf? It will be stronger then it is now. After Tri-disaster (or is that DWT you have in mind?) you want to spread dots (and ruination). It doesn't consume aetherflow so if there is free oGCD why not to cast it. And the reason to use it maybe even on CD: it seems to keep its "chance to renew dots" ability it has now.