THM/BLM MP Crisis/Solutions.

[Forerunner]

I think it would be better if the MP Refresh trait didn't give me back a measly 0.1% of my max MP back.

3mp/tick out of 3500+ is rediculous.

[Kiote]

Who is that supposed to be against? The moogles? Fire would be horrible to use against Ifrit D:

Wow.. Seriously, wow.. That truly explains why people like you run out of mp..

I totally meant that a person should use those specific three spells in a circle exactly the way i wrote it...

Seriously, get a clue man. There are FIVE elemental nukes in this game. Any half intelligent person will cycle through the most effective ones based on elemental resistances and recast timers in a pattern that allows for a constant stream of moderate damage. Then, when the opportunity presents itself they will bust out the big spell for a quick burst of damage and mp restoration.

You were one of those people who played Black Mage in XI and never cast anything but Freeze huh?..

[Estellios]

I think you have to look at the big picture.

THM is easily the best spike damage currently, but you have to watch out for MP. It may not be able to sustain itself in longer fights if you focus on as much damage as possible at all times, but it can outright massacre adds and stuff like the Infernal Nails. Being able to take out adds/side targets in the blink of an eye before they become a problem is a pretty big deal when said adds can turn the tide of a fight. I haven't fought the moogles yet but being able to solo one quickly so everyone else can focus on others helps out a lot.

[Quatre]

You're doing it wrong. Other DPS Have higher Sustained DPS, but no where near the burst potential.


If you want sustainable DPS Stick to the this easy to follow combo:

Stack Excruciate and Parsimony for Thundaga. DO NOT cast Thundaga when those spells are not activated.

While waiting for Exc/Parsimony, Only use Thunder/Thundara. If you do NOT have aggro on anything (Yay Chameleon). You should be able to effectively run the entire fight on ~2k MP while riding Yellow-red aggro.


I think the real issue that needs to be addressed is the fact that Shadowbind is a MUCH better CC than a mage is capable of supplying. Sleep should work on Moogles, yet it just gets resisted. If someone has landed a sleep on a Moogle I'd like to hear about it. Cause I tried it about 5 times with dark seal and it was a failure each time.


THM Dmg/ MP Management is fine, But it needs something to supplement it's lower overall DPS, and the burst dmg isn't enough. Having the ability to do Burst Dmg and CC would completely balance the class. Sleep works on everything else, Why can't it work in our end-game fights where we use Shadowbind and the like?

[zaviermhigo]

I just want to see how good/awful convert will be. Cure's cast a lot, and the way the game is now I almost think they'd let us equip cure on blm, like a sub job almost, but it would have way less cure potency than a whm, cure potency would go WHM, CNJ, THM, BLM prob. Now think aout this I have 2,600 hp roughly and 3800 mp roughly. I just think converting will be "convert" oh used up my mp curing myself. Now there always is "hey I'm converting" cnj knows in advance and get's ready to cure bomb me, no mp cost for me, but mp cost for the cnj. MP does regen slow, basic mp management isn't hard, but people can't say "i've never been out of mp" seriously? I don't spam, I've actually paid attention to what sticks to not waste spells on a combo that isn't happening due to the tier II not sticking. But running out of mp will still happen, whether I had to toss out a few more cures due to someone else or what not.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Wow.. Seriously, wow.. That truly explains why people like you run out of mp..

I totally meant that a person should use those specific three spells in a circle exactly the way i wrote it...

Seriously, get a clue man. There are FIVE elemental nukes in this game. Any half intelligent person will cycle through the most effective ones based on elemental resistances and recast timers in a pattern that allows for a constant stream of moderate damage. Then, when the opportunity presents itself they will bust out the big spell for a quick burst of damage and mp restoration.

You were one of those people who played Black Mage in XI and never cast anything but Freeze huh?..

I would appreciate if you didn't assume anything I do.

First off MP is not a problem for me. I just do Thunder then Thundera against Ifrit.

There maybe be 5 elements in the game to cycle throw but only three are good for Thm. And 1 is useless against Ifrit, which is fire. Cross classing makes Aero, and Stone less effective. Unless I am told to use them, I won't, but I have them equipped if I need to.

Lastly, No. I was a Paladin, and Dragoon in XI. I played Black Mage just before I quit, but I never did any raids as Black Mage.

Why I was asking is what mobs you were using the statement you were saying about Thunder>Fire>Blizzard to, because you weren't specific.

Anything else you want guess about me?

[Isaveron]

You guys are doing it wrong.

Moogle fight last night.

Your archers suck if they let THMs get that close to them

[Jinrya-Geki]

I do not understand your point.

I'm saying that 1.21 should help us for longer fights, even if we're arguably a good option already (even the best for some of them).

Personally, hate is what's stopping me to nuke more, not MP.

You said Thm is great for quick battles. My input is that if a boss fight only lasts a few minutes, it's not a boss in my opinion.

Boss fights should be intense long fights, like a half hour or more to be in. While it may be great for a full group of Thms to fight Ifrit for 8 minutes or a little longer is cool and all. It's not really fun for too long.

The problem of Mp in a fight...? I fully don't know yet. I haven't done the moogle fight as a Thm. If I can do that fight without resting too much then, and the fight is generally easy? Meh guess there isn't a boss fight yet.

It's not that difficult to manage hate and mp, as far as I know.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Your archers suck if they let THMs get that close to them

Or maybe the Thm is just that awesome? :P

[Andrien]

No doubt BRD will get Refresh songs, and THM/BLM might get Refresh spell. (maybe)

problem solved.