Some mentors...

[NekoNova]

This isn’t meant at you OP, but anyone who reads this:

Respecting another persons standards and thanking them is the best way to disarm any situation. Don’t take criticism so personally. If you want a solution then I will tell you what you need to do and make it law. Otherwise it’s everyones opinions and standards against each other’s.

What do you want because your standards don't line up with mine. I demand perfection up to my level of performance. If you can’t meet that then why do I have to respect yours if you don’t respect mine? If you can’t perform the job at a demanding level then you will get fired. There is no “I” in a party you join. How pissed would you be if my standards are to only spam flash as a tank? You would be quick to call me out. Why should someone who outperforms in a dungeon be frowned upon when he tells his group to get good? He’s giving it all for his team while they’re slacking. Why are their low standers better than the one who outperforms?

The point of this is that the mentor game the newbie an ultimatum. Adjust to the games tabbing or quit. If bad words were used or attacks on the newbie we’re made then there’s a report function and a kick function. The mentor is correct because the newbie is given a task adjust or quit. Harsh, but true. A game has standards and we must adjust to them or eventually stop playing if you can’t or refuse to adjust.

Being new doesn’t give you a free pass to underperform. You signed up to the dungeon if one guy has high standards then you need to be at his level. With practice you will be there soon enough. So don’t take it so personal when you’re told to get good or quit. Learn as you go through the dungeon and respect the standard set. You might get a group who has low standards, why is that respectable vs the one with high standards?

No you don't.
You don't need to adhere to anyone's standard when it comes to entering a dungeon with the roulette system.
The only "standard" you need to live up to is meeting whatever requirements the dungeon throws at your group. If those are met, then it's the end of the discussion.


It's a whole different discussion however in party-finder where groups are formed with clear goals in mind.
There, and only there can standards be set that people need to live up to or be booted from the group.

[Crushnight]

No you don't.
You don't need to adhere to anyone's standard when it comes to entering a dungeon with the roulette system.
The only "standard" you need to live up to is meeting whatever requirements the dungeon throws at your group. If those are met, then it's the end of the discussion.


It's a whole different discussion however in party-finder where groups are formed with clear goals in mind.
There, and only there can standards be set that people need to live up to or be booted from the group.

ok if i see you in ilv 1 gear in Abania i will initiate a vote kick despite you meeting the dungeon standard of only needing to be lv69 >_> sometimes there are extra standards it would be best to adhere to getting appropriate gear is one of them.

[Hash_Browns]

No you don't.
You don't need to adhere to anyone's standard when it comes to entering a dungeon with the roulette system.
The only "standard" you need to live up to is meeting whatever requirements the dungeon throws at your group. If those are met, then it's the end of the discussion.

So.. if I were to say.. enter a dungeon is level 1 gear, that would be fine?

What's so unreasonable about being nice?

Their isn't anything unreasonable about being nice.

[NekoNova]

So.. if I were to say.. enter a dungeon is level 1 gear, that would be fine.

Strictly speaking, yes, if you can pull of the damage requirements to get through.
You're trying to counter with an extreme though which is moot in being discussed.
It's discussed somewhere else that a minimum ilvl would be good for ALL dungeons to prevent a situation like that.


Heck I'd kick people who just auto-attack, or simply do nothing. Don't misunderstand my post as telling people they can do what they want and be carried 100%.
Some minimum effort is definitely required, but I won't adhere to living up to Bahamut Ultimate standards either in a random dungeon.

[Shurrikhan]

No you don't.
You don't need to adhere to anyone's standard when it comes to entering a dungeon with the roulette system.
The only "standard" you need to live up to is meeting whatever requirements the dungeon throws at your group. If those are met, then it's the end of the discussion.


It's a whole different discussion however in party-finder where groups are formed with clear goals in mind.
There, and only there can standards be set that people need to live up to or be booted from the group.

That's... just not true.

In most MMOs you may be kicked for being less skilled than the rest of your party, even if still more skilled than the average player. XIV is no exception to this.
Almost uniquely, though, XIV parties may also kick you for performing better than the rest of your party if your actions even once force them outside their comfort zone.

Frankly, there is no absolute protection from being kicked in this game, and holding yourself solely to some ill-conceived static sense of standards isn't going to help you with that.
As bad a rep as WoW gets, 14 years and some thousands of hours dungeoning there has shown me fewer kicks (for anything but going offline for more than the few minutes to restart one's internet) than I've seen in less than half that time here.

[NekoNova]

That's... just not true.

In most MMOs you may be kicked for being less skilled than the rest of your party, even if still more skilled than the average player. XIV is no exception to this.
Almost uniquely, though, XIV parties may also kick you for performing better than the rest of your party if your actions even once force them outside their comfort zone.

Frankly, there is no absolute protection from being kicked in this game, and holding yourself solely to some ill-conceived static sense of standards isn't going to help you with that.
As bad a rep as WoW gets, 14 years and some thousands of hours dungeoning there has shown me fewer kicks (for anything but going offline for more than the few minutes to restart one's internet) than I've seen in less than half that time here.

I have never seen anyone being kicked for being too good or even performing too little.
I do see people getting kicked constantly for acting like an ass in a group and being offensive.
And even kicking people can have consequences in this game if you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Hash_Browns]

Strictly speaking, yes, if you can pull of the damage requirements to get through.
You're trying to counter with an extreme though which is moot in being discussed.
It's discussed somewhere else that a minimum ilvl would be good for ALL dungeons to prevent a situation like that.


Heck I'd kick people who just auto-attack, or simply do nothing. Don't misunderstand my post as telling people they can do what they want and be carried 100%.
Some minimum effort is definitely required, but I won't adhere to living up to Bahamut Ultimate standards either in a random dungeon.

I was going to make a witty joke, well - witty to me, anyways.
Instead I'll just say that if I queued up for any dungeon and saw level 1 gear, I would say that's an insta-kick.

I agree that a minimum iLvl should be on each dungeon, but I'm just some elitist

[MrKusakabe]

Posts have a 10 character minimum to them. Hence /10char if someone types a short reply like that.

Call me oldschool, but if someone does not have anything to add that it is below 10 characters, why can't said person just move on silently?
"K" as an answer should be considered as spam, no matter how "boring" someone thinks a thread is..

[Pepsi_Plunge]

The only "standard" you need to live up to is meeting whatever requirements the dungeon throws at your group. If those are met, then it's the end of the discussion.

No, it's not. I have a high tolerant level, but if you show up in Stone Vigil or a dungeon above without your Job Stone I will votekick you and I'm pretty sure the vote will get through. Just because the "standard" for the dungeon is met doesn't mean everyone will put up with every BS.

[Shurrikhan]

I have never seen anyone being kicked for being too good or even performing too little.
I do see people getting kicked constantly for acting like an ass in a group and being offensive.
And even kicking people can have consequences in this game if you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Is it possible to be an ass without speaking (note: they were not first spoken to and thus expected to respond) or early-pulling?
Literally just in the course of three of five roulettes today, I saw three people kicked despite my voting against this. None of them behaving poorly in any way, though I guess the other two players thought differently.

Had a tank who loved to stand in dodgeable cleaves wait until the final boss to tell his healer "Hey, heals, dodge this!" and kick him because the healer once asked him to dodge AoEs.
Had another player who noted that AK HM goes much further when you make use of vines. I agreed with him, but figured the tank probably didn't even know what vines were so didn't say anything. They kicked him before the final boss.
The last, a tank, was doing big pulls and asked the DPS to use their AoE. They kicked him after the first boss.

Now, that's an extreme day, but something like one in ten or so dungeons having someone kicked for asking even a bit of competency out of their teammates has been... par for the course from what I've seen since ARR. Admittedly, I've only ever seen healers or tanks kicked for alleged under-performance; even when the DPS were the ones actually at fault, they're somehow always blameless here until there's a hard enrage.