Please don't delete tank carbuncle from SMN

[JarenCorax]

Things that characterize a pet class:

• You (the player) have a two combatants, each with their own HP, and you need to be concerned about both.
• Your second combatant can draw fire on its own (however well or poorly).
• Your character and your pet can be located separately and attack their own enemy (or heal somebody), possibly out of each others' range.
• Some abilities available to you (the player) depend on which pet you have out.

We're losing the first two for our arcanist/summoner/scholar pet—but not for our chocobo companion. So for general world solo play we can still have a tank. In solo duties, things will be different, but I'm willing to see how it plays out.

[Shiroe]

as for titan egi, it should still exist (even if just for solo or old content)

just make egis vulnerable if they have aggro (otherswise invulnerable), as for titan disappearing (and reseting aggro) when summing demi-bahamut or -phoenix.., just dont summen them xD... unless target is about to die
. since theyre probably not the main meat of Smn dps eitherway

(or SE could come up with some other titan egi solution, shouldn't be too hard.., like when swimming demi's, titan egi remains with aggro it just had, without doing any damage as long as the demi is out)

[Kurando]

Please give MCH a tank pet because their damage isn't that high (just like SMN) seeing as a percentage of it comes from the turrets, like like pets! Nah the tank pet ship has gone and sailed, and SMN kit has been adjusted accordingly across the board so things will not take that long to kill when playing solo (not that they do anyway...).

[Sylvain]

rdm have an awesome heal spell, instant casts 50% of the time

blm has RAW dmg

SMN has DOTS and a pet.....oh nvm , no pet taking the hits while dots do its thing, well at least smn now has tons of "phases" with instant cast spells and a weak aoe heal on phoenix , titan can put a shield i guess before entering combat , and change to ifrit instantly

Raw damage? You do realise that BLM damage is 10-15% above RDM one right?
So if one job would struggle against heavy hitting high hp mobs, it will be the BLM, not the RDM with vercure or the SMN with access to a 20% shield every 30s.
Considering most mob die after a few spells, I hardly see how that damage gap can make Vercure a requirement.

I mean.... I ask again, what kind of mob are you bashing to ask for a heal and a tank? If people were complaining about solo PotD or HoH, okay, sure, why not.
But trash mob during your MSQ? Really? Like, that's your concern number one, how will you kill a mob without having a tank + heal?

If the AST can kill a mob in time without requiring any self heal, I'm pretty sure RDM and SMN will be fine.

[KaerisKlyne]

I keep seeing these "essential to solo play" arguments re: Titan-egi and I just...don't get it? I've never had to use the tank pet in solo job duties or out on the field for survivability. The aggro output isn't enough to begin with, and the pet will just vanish anyway from 70+ because of Demi-Bahamut replacing it on the field.

[XenabelleS]

Things that characterize a pet class:

• You (the player) have a two combatants, each with their own HP, and you need to be concerned about both.
• Your second combatant can draw fire on its own (however well or poorly).
• Your character and your pet can be located separately and attack their own enemy (or heal somebody), possibly out of each others' range.
• Some abilities available to you (the player) depend on which pet you have out.

We're losing the first two for our arcanist/summoner/scholar pet—but not for our chocobo companion. So for general world solo play we can still have a tank. In solo duties, things will be different, but I'm willing to see how it plays out.

The only difference is that you can't heal your chocobo as a SMN so it is a far less effective tank. Like Titan was in 4.0 when they took away sustain. Sustain was added back primarily for healing Titan in the overworld.

I've never played a melee class in this game because face tanking really flusters me. I levelled BLM primarily in dungeons. I find it rather difficult to dodge all the AOEs in this game (for both reaction time and lag purposes) so having the mob attacking something else has always been the way I've gotten through. I never summoned Bahamut outside of instances because of the agro thing.

I get that others might not have needed this. But I did and so I am sad that I will no longer be able to main the class I've played on and off since 2.0.

[Kurando]

Sustain was added back primarily for healing Titan in the overworld.

That's not entirely correct, Sustain was returned as all the pets were susceptible to damage in certain situations and Physick was not a valid alternative. A dead pet meant part of SMN's kit was unavailable (i.e. they could not summon Bahamut and no Ruin procs) and resummoning them if they did die was inefficient. Sure other healers in your party could help heal your pets but that was never their priority and it's rare for one to go out of their way to keep it alive for you.

[xkazh]

...as for titan disappearing (and reseting aggro) when summing demi-bahamut or -phoenix.., just dont summen them xD... unless target is about to die
. since theyre probably not the main meat of Smn dps eitherway

I'm sorry, what? Seriously, what do you think the "main meat" of SMN dps is.

[Grimoire-M]

SMN needed the shield more than they needed Titan. You’re seriously underestimating the power of their range and mobility. Even BLM can find ways around that in story instances. The main sad thing is the old SMN coil/Alex solo strats are completely and utterly dead. Making Physick scale on attack magic potency would solve the remaining issues they might have if needed, but they already got a better version of Manaward out of the pet rework. That’s plenty in that content and useful in savage too.

[Shinkage]

I think a lot of people are missing the point. No, summoners don't NEED a tank pet but pet control is what being a summoner is all about. Pets should never have been made immune to damage in the first place; positioning and keeping them healthy should be part of being a summoner. Streamline the UI? Sure. Make it less clunky to get pets/faeries to cast when you want them too? Sure. But don't take away the core of a pet class. And no, putting their actions on our pet bar does not equal more control over the pets; that is the same "less talent points equals more choices" crap that Blizzard pulled.