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    Your example doesn't work because here, you paid for the car, then you paid for extra. Here, we paid the game when we buy it, and we keep buying it every months
    keep buying it every months
    I have FF14 - i pay for it - i sub 10$ every month = unfair, "optional" stuff should be free
    I have a Car - i pay for it - i pay the gas every WEEK which cost DOUBLE (even TRIPLE) the amount of FF14 sub = its fair

    its not just FF14, its not just dealing with car, thats how every market works. clothes shop, electronic shop, everything, you buy a new iphone and the staff will ask you for "optional" stuff like the stand, casing, extra charger cable, etc. and you tell me i ask them to "give me all of those for free because i buy your iphone" ?
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    I think Todd said it best.



    Micro-transactions will keep happening as long as people keep buying them.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Our subscriptions pay for the monthly updates and major patches every 2-3 months. If we didn't pay subs, then all we would get is the initial content at release of the expansion with occasional "balance" patches.

    The cash shop is all COMPLETELY optional. There is nothing there that gives you an advantage in game of any kind. The development of assets that are sold on the cash shop takes time and resources separate from game development... aka money. That's why they charge for them.

    I consider them as luxury goods and only buy them on special occasions: birthdays, Xmas presents, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    The team doing the cash shop items are a separate team than the actual Devs. If people didn't buy them, they wouldn't be there at all. Seasonal items being added are a grey area, but understandable as an incentive to keep your subscription going to acquire the items on first release but allowing a chance to pick it up later.
    You are brainwashed to the micro transaction system, it's ok for you if you like it and buy it. Here, I'm not buying those item, and I will continue to criticize and not encourage that system. It's ok for you if it's how you see things, but that's not my point of view on gaming. Sadly for me, as long as people like you exixt, people who are ok with this system and buy stuff from it, well that system will stay in place. I just wish that people could stop buying from those microtransaction. I don't blame you, but don't try to convince me that it's ok to have a cash shop AND a subscription, I will always disagree.

    Also, it's not because it's the way that things works now that it means it's the way things should be. Over that stupid capitalism, things turned like that for gaming, microtransactions are everywhere now. But it doesn't means we should all accept that because "that's the way it is". But clearly we won't agree here.
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    You are brainwashed to the micro transaction system, it's ok for you if you like it and buy it. Here, I'm not buying those item, and I will continue to criticize and not encourage that system. It's ok for you if it's how you see things, but that's not my point of view on gaming. Sadly for me, as long as people like you exixt, people who are ok with this system and buy stuff from it, well that system will stay in place. I just wish that people could stop buying from those microtransaction. I don't blame you, but don't try to convince me that it's ok to have a cash shop AND a subscription, I will always disagree.
    How are people 'brainwashed' by the microtransactions of the Mogshop? There's no advantage to owning any of the items other than having something pretty/stylish/cool to look at. There's no overt or subliminal messages saying 'buy our stuff' in the game. They barely even advertise the shop on the launcher until something new comes out.

    Besides, why do you care so much about what other people spend their money on?
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    You are brainwashed to the micro transaction system, it's ok for you if you like it and buy it. Here, I'm not buying those item, and I will continue to criticize and not encourage that system. It's ok for you if it's how you see things, but that's not my point of view on gaming. Sadly for me, as long as people like you exixt, people who are ok with this system and buy stuff from it, well that system will stay in place. I just wish that people could stop buying from those microtransaction. I don't blame you, but don't try to convince me that it's ok to have a cash shop AND a subscription, I will always disagree.
    Literally they have stated that what I said is the case. If people weren't buying the cash shop items, they wouldn't exist at all. We wouldn't be getting them for free. The seasonal items of course are my opinion on the matter.. but don't blind yourself to the truth that we aren't being denied items to put them on the cash shop. The exclusive cash shop cosmetic items were made by a separate team that wouldn't even exist if the shop wasn't there.

    You are welcome to your opinions about whether a subscription game should have microtransactions at all, but don't delude yourself into thinking you'd be getting those items if the shop didn't exist.
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  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    How are people 'brainwashed' by the microtransactions of the Mogshop? There's no advantage to owning any of the items other than having something pretty/stylish/cool to look at. There's no overt or subliminal messages saying 'buy our stuff' in the game. They barely even advertise the shop on the launcher until something new comes out.
    Brainwashed because they accept that model and defend it, and even defend the overprice. That's what I mean here by brainwashed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    Brainwashed because they accept that model and defend it, and even defend the overprice. That's what I mean here by brainwashed.
    It's not brainwashing to accept something when there's nothing wrong with it. If the items offered competetive bonuses or other advantages over other players then it would be a bad practice, but as it is there's absolutely nothing wrong with a company offering extra items for a price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    Besides, why do you care so much about what other people spend their money on?
    I don't care, honnestly. But I'm someone who like to achieve everything in a game, but I find ridiculous to spend 24$ US (so that means like 35$CAD) on some pixels for a mount, especially with the amount of money I put in the game. Since it's a part of a "pay-to-win" and I hate to do it but do it anyway, I pay to have 10 retainers, which double the subscriptions fees. That's a lot of money for a game, so every other stuff on the Mog Station, I would like to have them, but I don't want to put any more money than what I already do in the game. And, since I hate really, really much the microtransaction system, I try to don't encourage it, and like I said the only extra I pay are the retainers because they enter in the "pay-to-win" category, and I will need them, especially early on the ShB release to get lots of mats every 40 minutes to level my crafters. But that retainer system is also one of the major reason why I hate so much what they are doing. The least would have been to at least give us an extra retainer every expansion, or at least to incrase the space we have on them. As a crafter - this is my end game - I need those retainers, call it hypocrysis if you want but they don't give a lot of other choices if you like crafting and storing mats.

    But to answer the question, it's because I like to have every items and glamour in a game, but, that system don't allow me to have it since I won't encourage it. I would prefer to have less glamour items/events than what we have now but everything for free, if it's the cost of removing those microtransaction. They also have been super lazy on Stormblood by just re-releasing lots of old glamour and making them dyable on the normal content. But, as I said earlier, sadly for me, there is too many people here who buy so the system will stay in place, and all I can do is to agree with the OP and tells that I hate this system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joven View Post
    It's not brainwashing to accept something when there's nothing wrong with it. If the items offered competetive bonuses or other advantages over other players then it would be a bad practice, but as it is there's absolutely nothing wrong with a company offering extra items for a price.
    Maybe brainwashed was a bit hard, but, you can't tell that the system have nothing wrong with it, or else noone would be complaining. It's just your opinion here. Like I have my opinion against that system. And the OP made this thread because he also felt that something was wrong in that system. Anyway thisis going nowhere, so I will just stop answering it, I already said my opinion and I will just repeat myself more and more, I find that system broken and that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliciaCapulet View Post
    I don't care, honnestly. But I'm someone who like to achieve everything in a game, but I find ridiculous to spend 24$ US (so that means like 35$CAD) on some pixels for a mount, especially with the amount of money I put in the game. Since it's a part of a "pay-to-win" and I hate to do it but do it anyway, I pay to have 10 retainers, which double the subscriptions fees. That's a lot of money for a game, so every other stuff on the Mog Station, I would like to have them, but I don't want to put any more money than what I already do in the game. And, since I hate really, really much the microtransaction system, I try to don't encourage it, and like I said the only extra I pay are the retainers because they enter in the "pay-to-win" category, and I will need them, especially early on the ShB release to get lots of mats every 40 minutes to level my crafters.

    But to answer the question, it's because I like to have every items and glamour in a game, but, that system don't allow me to have it since I won't encourage it. I would prefer to have less glamour items/events than what we have now but everything for free, if it's the cost of removing those microtransaction. They also have been super lazy on Stormblood by just re-releasing lots of old glamour and making them dyable on the normal content. But, as I said earlier, sadly for me, there is too many people here who buy so the system will stay in place, and all I can do is to agree with the OP and tells that I hate this system
    So basically your argument is 'I don't want to pay for something so nobody else should have that option either'?
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