To any GM willing to reply to some of these Novice Network questions.

[KageTokage]

The main reason NN ends up becoming a public chatroom is simply because there's not many people actually asking questions in there.

I'd rather there be any kind of discussion going on in there then nothing at all as long as it's not interfering with questions being answered.

[MistakeNot]

most of these are just opinions it comes down to what is accepted and not against ToS and what is against ToS not what we and a mutual handful think. Hence why i asked for a GM input not a player one.

There are no special rules on what may or may not be talked about in the Novice Network. As far as SE is concerned the same rules apply there as in any random linkshell or FC chat.

[Canadane]

Hey Skizz.
I agree that the Hyperion Novice Network has gone from fantastic in its early days to pretty terrible by today.
FC recruitment and hunts have nothing to do with it. (I'm of the opinion they should be frowned upon, but not going to kick someone over it)

It's the non-stop banter and side-talk. I'm all for being social, but treating the NN like a world chat isn't the best way to go about things imo.
Especially when things get political. Americans can never stop talking about their politics and bringing it into a place that's for help to newbies is only frustrating on their behalf.
Granted, most of the times when someone does speak up with a question, it'll get answered. And because of that people will say that their off-topic chat is okay. I say, take it to a linkshell.

I've seen enough people who simply ask how to leave the NN because they don't want to deal with the chat that some mentors (and novices!) will constantly have. It's annoying as a mentor as well.

Back in HW when NN launched, it was pretty well kept. We had the social rule of keeping things on the topic of the game. It didn't end up as some social club right away. It had class, I used to see topics about the terror of the Novice Network and was always able to perk up and mention Hyperions wasn't anything like that, we were helpful, we weren't just meme-spam like it is today, we were there to help.
It's a far cry from what it was now. :(

I understand they put very lose restrictions on the chat, but they also gave us the power to curate it with the temp-kicking ability. But doing so almost ensures you'll be removed as well, as others won't agree with how some want it run. It's mutually assured destruction right there. Some form of guidance on how the network should be handled would be a literal godsend. If the GM's are okay with people chatting non-stop about nothing related to FFXIV instead of forming a linkshell for it, so be it. I'll be content with such a response. If they'd prefer it more game-only focused, well we have some changes to make.

[alimdia]

As others have said, the way GMs have been operating in the years since the NN was created is: as long as it doesn't break FFXIV rules, the community (or rather, the more vocal mentors) will decide what is acceptable/not acceptable in the NN. For the most part I've seen that most NNs operate roughly the same way, disallowing FC recruitment and either disallowing hunts or only allowing S ranks, sometimes banning political and controversial topics (depends if the vocal mentors happen to be controversial people themselves).

NN being used as a global chat has been there for many years, I don't use my server's NN because of that, but we're too far gone to do something about it. At this point you either accept it and stop whining or don't use it and still stop whining, they aren't gonna invest GM resources moderating the NN when it's not really a big deal in the first place.

[SkizzleAbernath]

Hey Skizz.
I agree that the Hyperion Novice Network has gone from fantastic in its early days to pretty terrible by today.
FC recruitment and hunts have nothing to do with it. (I'm of the opinion they should be frowned upon, but not going to kick someone over it)

It's the non-stop banter and side-talk. I'm all for being social, but treating the NN like a world chat isn't the best way to go about things imo.
Especially when things get political. Americans can never stop talking about their politics and bringing it into a place that's for help to newbies is only frustrating on their behalf.
Granted, most of the times when someone does speak up with a question, it'll get answered. And because of that people will say that their off-topic chat is okay. I say, take it to a linkshell.

I've seen enough people who simply ask how to leave the NN because they don't want to deal with the chat that some mentors (and novices!) will constantly have. It's annoying as a mentor as well.

Back in HW when NN launched, it was pretty well kept. We had the social rule of keeping things on the topic of the game. It didn't end up as some social club right away. It had class, I used to see topics about the terror of the Novice Network and was always able to perk up and mention Hyperions wasn't anything like that, we were helpful, we weren't just meme-spam like it is today, we were there to help.
It's a far cry from what it was now.

I understand they put very lose restrictions on the chat, but they also gave us the power to curate it with the temp-kicking ability. But doing so almost ensures you'll be removed as well, as others won't agree with how some want it run. It's mutually assured destruction right there. Some form of guidance on how the network should be handled would be a literal godsend. If the GM's are okay with people chatting non-stop about nothing related to FFXIV instead of forming a linkshell for it, so be it. I'll be content with such a response. If they'd prefer it more game-only focused, well we have some changes to make.

All it takes is one input from GM's or SE for restrictions then most of the mentors can't behave a certain way. I'm already tired as it is that some people use the NN to feed their narcissistic ego for attention that they seem to lack elsewhere. If all these mentors had their own linkshell then the nn's focus can just be on the actual game. Just the other day me and a friend talked in swedish and we experienced slight racism despite the channel having no language restrictions. That alone should tell you the length these people think they run and dominate the server. Its disgusting and dissmissive.

[Thamorian]

As far as I've seen, forum moderator GMs and in-game GMs are seperate teams that probably don't communicate with each other. Might be forum GMs can't answer for in game rules in an official capacity if the rules are not directly states in ToS.

[Mingqin]

I left the NN very quickly after joining, I've only played this game coming up to near two months now and I learned very quickly most people with mentor tags don't deserve the tag, just leave the novice network OP you'll be better for it.

[AngelCheese77]

I was in a few NNs and I can say they are more a General chat than anything else. Shame. So I just stay out and struggle though the game on my own.

[xXAzurePrimeXx]

This was actually one of the reasons that I left Hyperion. I was a regular mentor in the server for a while but it was just way too toxic. There were arguments between mentors, people abusing the kick feature etc. I was super surprised at how much tamer the NN chat was when I moved to Sargatanas.

[Lissyl]

I'm on Lamia, as you can see. Our NN is often chatty, topics range from anime to movies to games to bunnybringers to, well, anything clean. Sprouts and mentors alike chat away. For the most part, it's a great channel imo. I've found it immensely helpful in almost everything, and we have a lot of good mentors (I could easily name 10 right off the bat who are just amazing) who often give very in-depth answers.

No channel is perfect of course, but if it were just silent all the time, I'd feel way too intimidated to ever ask for help on it. The chattiness makes it seem like an OOC rendition of a busy tavern, and makes it approachable. Just my viewpoint as a now-level 40 sprout. I understand that some other servers have some bad mentors, but I don't think it would be helpful to trash the entire system or channel because of them.