Rework the market system to allow purchase offer listings and eliminate undercutting

[Saix027]

The problem is the system on its own, to many things eather worthless or farmed to often also, undercutting way to fast with the amount of people, especially with things like retainers all bringing apperently the same stuff making it also worthless and undercutting, the only stable market i seen so far is Guild Wars 2 from the games i played, sure it also has some worthless stuff but not in that amount as we have it here, but that is due one simple reason, they kept things simple.

I mean we goten countless new resources for each addon now, like 50 different armors for inbetween leveling, different types of things, sometimes goldsmith makes rings, sometimes leather or so. The amount is simply to much, on top you can't make use of everything, you can't depart all since desyncing is limited to 3 crafters, only specific crafters or gathers seem to be worth it, retainers jobs not makign a difference except gathering something specific, let alone the fisher has like 1000 of different kind of fishs by now you loose track, making people not care for what is worth any or needed for something else becasue way to many exist.

Making old materials usefull again for newer stuff in a balanced way, making able to desync everything without limitation. I mean we got things like i think one of the Obsidian it was is needed for one whole item in the game, i mean seriously SE, putting materials in that is needed for one whole item is ridiclious stupid.

Overall we would need a rework of handling items overall, making everything useful in some way simply, it will be hard of course and i doubt theywill ever change it sadly or at best which never will happen tho is remove the amount of things and simplify it, yet it works for abilitys which of course is way different but come on, a MMO is always updating and changing, if things like WoW change the world with Cataclysm as example making the old world and old dungeons lost, that is kinda the same and no one should cry if we also loosea heavy amount of useless items, i mean seriously, who needs new gear every two levels on top of dungeon items aswell.

It is simply way to much with way to less options to deal or handle things or make use of it, causing problems like the undercutting.

Side note, problem for me seems also, jsut personal opinion, that we have the typical Gil from Finalt Fantasy games, now difference in payment, so numbers go way to hight at times since no thigns like lets say copper and silver as lower money. Because for me 1 Mil Gil not feels like much since on the other hand you got so much expensive stuff like 60 Mil for a Music scroll or so or a minor gear part.

[Sarevok_Thordin]

I would be interested in this system.

Guild Wars 2 has it and it works fairly well for them.

[MarniDawg]

Because the system wouldn't just be for two shirts, it would benefit the market board as a whole. If Runescape in 2007 could make a system spanning 100s of worlds in which it made prices more stable, and the market easier to use, then why can't FFXIV atleast take a few aspects Osrs has to improve their system. Like players being able to sell armour and weapons in stacks combined with being able to buy a certain number of items in a stack, which players have been asking for since ARR.

On another thread, it seems that people undercut mostly to sell things faster, if we have the buy offer and sell offer thing that Osrs has, then you would see a lot more things selling instantly.

Anyway, my experiences with the GE/GTS was between 2007-2012, and I am relying on memory for my info about it. :P

I don't think it would require a whole rework of the system, but adding in a feature to buy x number out of a stack listed would be something nice added on I suppose.

[Misutoraru]

Random odd question: has anyone else posted the same item on both your retainers and undercut yourself on one of them just to move more?

I did try putting discount price one at a time, like both retainer selling same item, one sell 10% cheaper, then let say I sold most of it from 1 retainer, then I switch the price.
Sometimes it work, sometimes just got undercut further.
Btw I actually like the current system, I m more a buyer than crafter, I only sell on MB when I craft some extra or gather some extra for my own need.
Not only the current system act like free market but also I don’t like supporting people who call other morons/stupid when others don’t agree with him/her

[Seraphor]

The way the marketboard is priced currently isn't a problem, it's not broken. But it is limited in the way each server has it's own economy.
The world visit system was supposed to help even things out, and hopefully pave the way to Datacenter-wide market boards, at which point things will be a lot fairer.

[DevonEllwood]

Except for when you're dealing with bots that will automatically undercut you within five minutes regardless of when/how often you decide to undercut them.

I've seen it on Cactuar. There are three different level 22 players in the same FC as an omnicraft bot, one situated in each of the three primary city-states. They basically log on and off in an endless cycle checking their retainers and undercutting if they detect someone selling at a lower price.

Just curious, but is there any indicator on the marketboard if the seller is a bot? I would just like to avoid buying from them if possible.

[hynaku]

You seem to forget about taxes and teleport fees. If item is say 30gil more than another but will cost me 100gil or more to teleport to it. I will buy the high price one. 1 or 2gil under cut is nothing at all.

[Skyclaw726]

Looks at recipe realizes it takes 4 of something, lists 3 HQ 10 higher than your last list, then lists 1 single HQ 300 lower than the highest HQ listing, forcing you to buy all my stuff, or have an odd number of mats. No one likes having odd numbers of mats *now do we?*

Sniggers

Capitalism at its finest, touche sir touche

[KageTokage]

Just curious, but is there any indicator on the marketboard if the seller is a bot? I would just like to avoid buying from them if possible.

If they aren't selling things in unreasonably large quantities (IE, virtually every infusion spammer on the market), you're not going to be able to tell from simply glancing at the MB and will probably need to do some investigation to determine which sellers on the market are/aren't legit.

Just doing a search for level 70 DoH/L players in the wee hours of the morning oft narrows things down as they typically leave their bots running overnight while they're asleep (Or 24/7 if they're alt accounts), so if you notice people who are active all day long but only seem to craft/gather in the late night/early morning, that tends to be highly suspect.

[Nerfworthy]

I do think being able to have the option to put up buy orders would be neat.