The 'unwritten rule' for non-tank pulls in dungeons

[ScorpioShirica]

the queue times for tanks are incredibly fast. if i'm new to tanking an area or new with the class and the dps wants to be a jerk about the fact i'm going slow, i will let them die and get quickly into another group where the dps is happy to work with me and let me pull at my own pace. if they want to tank so bad because they know how to do it better, then they can roll tank and make it so i can play my dps with faster queues. otherwise, folks should learn some patience with the tanks they do get.

[Miracle_Diva]

the queue times for tanks are incredibly fast. if i'm new to tanking an area or new with the class and the dps wants to be a jerk about the fact i'm going slow, i will let them die and get quickly into another group where the dps is happy to work with me and let me pull at my own pace. if they want to tank so bad because they know how to do it better, then they can roll tank and make it so i can play my dps with faster queues. otherwise, folks should learn some patience with the tanks they do get.

Or you can actually be vocal and say that YOU ARE NEW AT TANKING and still learning so please be patient, or get kicked for not doing your job.

[ScorpioShirica]

Or you can actually be vocal and say that YOU ARE NEW AT TANKING and still learning so please be patient, or get kicked for not doing your job.

i do that at the beginning of the dungeon. and if they want to kick me for being new and wait another 30 minutes, i will already be done with the next dungeon while they wait. so lol?

[Miracle_Diva]

i do that at the beginning of the dungeon. and if they want to kick me for being new and wait another 30 minutes, i will already be done with the next dungeon while they wait. so lol?

If we're talking about low lvl dungeons, then sure, you can clear them without a tank in most cases.
You can be new, but if you take your sweet time to pull 3 mobs at the time while dps and a healer are ready and can handle more, then you're simply holding the entire group back and at least should try and be more brave. Just because you're playing a tank doesn't mean that you're the most important person in the group, since everyone is important and equal. The best way to learn is put yourself under pressure and stop being lazy or being afraid of your shadow as a tank. Also no one is asking you to pull literally everything till boss door.
If it's lvl 70 - then sorry, but you're not new anymore at that point and should know your skills and limits.

[Campi]

"You spank it , you tank it"

The Words of bad Tanks :shrug:

Just because you're playing a tank doesn't mean that you're the most important person in the group, since everyone is important and equal.

^this

[kazzel120]

If we're talking about low lvl dungeons, then sure, you can clear them without a tank in most cases.
You can be new, but if you take your sweet time to pull 3 mobs at the time while dps and a healer are ready and can handle more, then you're simply holding the entire group back and at least should try and be more brave. Just because you're playing a tank doesn't mean that you're the most important person in the group, since everyone is important and equal. The best way to learn is put yourself under pressure and stop being lazy or being afraid of your shadow as a tank. Also no one is asking you to pull literally everything till boss door.
If it's lvl 70 - then sorry, but you're not new anymore at that point and should know your skills and limits.

They said new to that dungeon. I also tend to go slower when its an entirely new dungeon until i learn positioning and what mobs are going to show up at one point.

After I'm comfortable and know the mob placement and where the wall ends it wall to wall pulls each run after i swear dps only players act as if tanking is just grab the things and stand in 1 spot lol.

[kidalutz]

I test pull the first mob if it takes forever for that to go down then its a sure bet that I'm making smaller pulls for the rest of the dungeoun if it goes down quick then pull pull pull tank and CD up lets do this!!! Ooo Rah!!

[GenBroadaxe]

They said new to that dungeon. I also tend to go slower when its an entirely new dungeon until i learn positioning and what mobs are going to show up at one point.

After I'm comfortable and know the mob placement and where the wall ends it wall to wall pulls each run after i swear dps only players act as if tanking is just grab the things and stand in 1 spot lol.

That's my mentality too. I usually go a bit slower in a dungeon I've never done just so I can make sure that I know where all the mobs and any terrain hazards are. In random runs I try to do full pulls unless it's really obvious that the group can't handle it for some reason. The main reason I do hate random party members grabbing additional adds is that I might not see it and we suddenly have someone dead who otherwise wouldn't be.

[Liam_Harper]

Usually when a tank gets kicked, it's because the party knows it can handle more than the tank is picking up.

It's fine for a party to kick a tank.

Aye, the key word is "usually".

The majority groups don't mind one bit if a tank isn't pulling wall to wall as long as the pace is reasonably smooth. If a healer feels they can handle far more, there's nothing wrong with requesting the tank pulls bigger packs. It might even be a learning experience. If the tank is hostile towards this or doesn't communicate, it's fair to kick them. Similarly it's fine to kick a dps who pulls more than a tank or healer can handle without communicating and reacts with hostility.

I imagine the argument in the thread is that half the posters are imagining those nightmare runs with hostile dps and terrible healers running around wildly and wiping the group and hurling abuse at the tank before kicking them and interpreting the comments here as "that's good, it should be like that".

Just communicate with your group, be willing to do your best and learn and 99% of the time you'll be fine.

[Jimmymagic]

LMAO this is entertaining.. Healer mains bias tank hater and impetuous argument about how/when to kick...Take what you can use and leave the rest....

So, a lot of players are jumping on Van_Arnie here, I disagree with that mentality, however, not everyone is right or wrong. When I tank I never go in assuming the healer is competent or dps for that matter. I ask the healer if they are ok with large pulls, if so then play according if I am unable to aggro then please kick me. I don't wanna suffer anymore than you do and besides the group is more important than the individual which leads me to kicking healers. Most healers that I have played with do not heal first they dps and some dungeon you can get away with that no big deal but healers that want control and tank themselves that is not healer that is a wanna be tank with severe ego and no consideration beyond any motive. People usually won't kick healers because of que time but there is large number of bad healers as well as bad tanks

Vote kick is a tool to be used, I do not take it personally when healer main s want to kick me because I don t have to. I'm surprised no one really suggesting PF for training tanks that are new. I hate going to a dungeon holding people up because im new and i don't wanna pull large. To me Tank everything even if skiddish about the dungeon. Nothing wrong with practice but there is when using roulettes. See I consider other people time too not just my own. IMHO no player regardless of job/class and skill level should hold others hostage for dailies, duty completion, raids, poetics, etc....Make a party finder if don't feel confident doing large pulls. As Van said get friends and/or FC to help with training (which is what I did for new content). I don t care for the "stop playing mmo's solution." Adapt, have some effort and you can play with other s at faster pace.

When I first started i did small pulls and moved like a snail I got suggestions first before getting kicked a few times and of course I took it personally until I got a little better. I started pulling more and more learning positioning, MAKE SURE MY GEAR WAS RESPECTABLE AND NOT BROKEN OR UNDERLEVEL, talk to healer when necessary and also to not talk when necessary. KNOW the mechanics of said dungeon. All of this took sometime but since I dropped my ego at the login screen I've enjoyed playing a lot more

I have learned also that you better get some thick skin when doing group content. Don't be so sensitive or your gonna have a hard time playing this or any other mmo.
Every complaining opinion on this thread has at least one solution. its just people don't agree which is difference in playstyle thus votekick.

Come expansion, if SE does implement all the changes Main healers will not be able to tank. Tanks will have no excuses for holding agro. DPS's will actually have accountability and will no longer hide behind poor play. Will see.