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  1. #131
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    Selova's Avatar
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    Veliona Umrtia
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    Leviathan
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    I'm kind of stating the obvious here but, people understand that this version of Titania is a dumbed down normal mode trial pre-80 right?A lot of the concerns are valid, but this isnt even remotely a decent sample size to judge how often you're going to be healing vs dpsing. We need to wait until savage and ultimate before making such claims.
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  2. #132
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    AikenDrum's Avatar
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    Mio Aiken
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    Louisoix
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    We need to wait until savage and ultimate before making such claims.
    And what are options for those who heal dungeons and normal raids/trials?
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  3. #133
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    Loki's Avatar
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    Loki Vanheim
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    I'm kind of stating the obvious here but, people understand that this version of Titania is a dumbed down normal mode trial pre-80 right?A lot of the concerns are valid, but this isnt even remotely a decent sample size to judge how often you're going to be healing vs dpsing. We need to wait until savage and ultimate before making such claims.
    A job in a game has to be fun to play in every content not just at the end of the lving or there is a problem in the job design itself. But well just my opinion.
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  4. #134
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    Hustensaft's Avatar
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    Gyokuro Sencha
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    A job in a game has to be fun to play in every content not just at the end of the lving or there is a problem in the job design itself. But well just my opinion.
    You can look at WoW to get a glimpse at what happens when classes are not fun to play in the vast majority of content...

    If healers are only remotely enjoyable in savage or ultimate, then that is a major issue.
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  5. #135
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    Nerfworthy's Avatar
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    Luka Larkspur
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    Jenova
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    Sage Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
    There is such a thing as overly simplifying something. And for many people that's what has happened to the healers. SCH especially, since SE was sorta building them up to be a foil to SMN similar to WHM being a foil to BLM. Now instead of both jobs mirroring one another with one focusing on DPS and the other healing, they are both just an odd mix of skills. SMN might look okay, but it looks to have it's own share of issues. Plus, I know SE admitted to not liking the early version of SMN, but it seems like SE doesnt really know which job used which skills for both gameplay and lore. SMN almost never used ED once it got faster, and why does it still have Physick. Plus the poison spells fit SCH a lot better lore wise. Why didnt the poison spells turn into elemental DoTs based on the primals? It all just makes me really sad since SCH just clicked for me. T.T
    It's really sad too that I keep seeing SMN mains upset over having to use Energy Drain, and yet us SCH mains are gutted over losing it..... bit ironic, don't ya think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arohk View Post
    A healers job is to dps and keep the party alive while doing so, you got the wrong idea about healers.

  6. #136
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    Atlantasia's Avatar
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    Atlantasia Azoria
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    A job in a game has to be fun to play in every content not just at the end of the lving or there is a problem in the job design itself. But well just my opinion.
    That's one reason I really enjoyed AION's Cleric, you get your basic interesting skills early on and the skill kit becomes more interesting and engaging as you level and it builds upon the basic kit with skill chains for healing and DPSing. You also have things that make you more healer or more DPSer so there's a choice when soloing content versus when in groups.

    They could provide something like that with a reworked Cleric Stance that gives us access to more DPS skills while in it. It'd at least make solo play a little less tedious or give healers a challenge when switching between stances. xD But that is a bit like how tanks were, still it'd give us something to do and juggle.
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  7. #137
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    Loki's Avatar
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    Loki Vanheim
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantasia View Post
    That's one reason I really enjoyed AION's Cleric, you get your basic interesting skills early on and the skill kit becomes more interesting and engaging as you level and it builds upon the basic kit with skill chains for healing and DPSing. You also have things that make you more healer or more DPSer so there's a choice when soloing content versus when in groups.

    They could provide something like that with a reworked Cleric Stance that gives us access to more DPS skills while in it. It'd at least make solo play a little less tedious or give healers a challenge when switching between stances. xD But that is a bit like how tanks were, still it'd give us something to do and juggle.
    Ya i loved it too cause you have really the feeling to evolve through the lving. I don't have this feeling here unfortunatly, mostly now with all these changes. Ok the areas look amazing, i'm curious about the main story, we have new races etc, i'm excited about lots of things in the 5.0 add on but if the general gameplay sux, it will just ruin all this adventure and maybe i'll just stop it cause of weariness.
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  8. #138
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    Ilenya's Avatar
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    Aurora Vlondett
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Selova View Post
    I'm kind of stating the obvious here but, people understand that this version of Titania is a dumbed down normal mode trial pre-80 right?A lot of the concerns are valid, but this isnt even remotely a decent sample size to judge how often you're going to be healing vs dpsing. We need to wait until savage and ultimate before making such claims.
    Wow, that goalpost sure moved fast.
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  9. #139
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    Deceptus's Avatar
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    Wow, that goalpost sure moved fast.
    It's the only defense many white knights have.

    "Just wait, it'll get better."
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  10. #140
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    Videra Svenay
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 83
    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    "Just wait, it'll get better."
    11 days from now, we'll be seeing the; 'It did not get better.' and 'Wait until savage is out!'
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