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    What about the beast tribes? Some of them were certainly not tempered, like the Stormblood tribes for obvious reasons, but in particular a couple of the ARR tribes appears unlikely to not have been tempered. I mean the Ixal and Amal'jaa tribes.

    The Amal'jaa seem to be very zealous about exposing *everyone* to offer up their souls to Ifrit, as shown by the Ifrit questline. To them, servitude is not enough. All must subject themselves to Ifrit, hence how they forced the treacherous merchant and brass blades to Ifrits tempering. Knowing this it feels unlikely that the beast tribe Amal'jaa have avoided tempering.

    As for the Ixal, Sezul speaks about Garuda very knowingly, as if he and his Ehcatl Nine have witnessed her. Also, knowing Garudas personality it seems unlikely that she wouldn't have made the entire Ixal race into slaves.

    In addition to all of this, of all the ARR beast tribes I'm fairly certain the Ehcatl Nine are the only ones to confirm they have actually renounced their god. In fact if I recall correctly the Silphs have a cautious respect for Ramuh, and Novvs Clutch admits to still worship Leviathan, though its true the Little Solace Silphs haven't been tempered, as that is part of their plot, and Leviathan, as well as Titan, doesn't seem nearly as interested in making servants as Garuda, nor are the Sahagin or the Kobolds as zealous as the Amal'jaa, so that makes it less likely that Novvs Clutch or the 789th order have ever been exposed.

    Odds are high, however, that the Amal'jaa and Ixal have been tempered before, and if they have, then that would suggest tempering is not necessarily permanent as the people of Eorzea believe, as the Ehcatl Nine in particular renounce Garuda openly.

    Really, there are a lot of unknowns about primals. It may be possible that having your faith shaken enough might remove the effects of tempering, just shaking someone's faith is much easier said than done. Having your world be slowly consumed by the same Light you worked in service of because you did everything it told you to do, however... I imagine that would be sufficient to shake the faith of the Firsts Warriors of Light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hezzlocks View Post
    What about the beast tribes? Some of them were certainly not tempered, like the Stormblood tribes for obvious reasons, but in particular a couple of the ARR tribes appears unlikely to not have been tempered. I mean the Ixal and Amal'jaa tribes.
    I think what might be confusing you is there's a difference between the Beast Tribes actual god and the Primals that the aggressive sects summon.

    This was emphasised during Heavensward with the Vanu, where we get assistance with taking out Bismarck because it is clearly not their god, as their god wouldn't go around eating the islands of their home.

    Primals are merely simulacrums in the form of whatever idea there is about a particular entity. They're not the ACTUAL entity themselves. This lead to the issue in regards to Bahamut, where the simulacrum went on a rampage and started destroying the world. This lead to Ysayle believing that Shiva was some sort of ice queen. As well as showing why the Beast Tribes we help are not tempered.

    Since tempering seems to only happen from Primals, not from the idols who's likeness they are in the form of.

    Suggesting that at one point, there may have been an actual Garuda, Ifrit, Leviathan, Ramuh etc. Just like there was an actual Shiva. Thus the tribes knowing about them. But the Primals are a separate entity that only care about draining aether and tempering people to serve them.

    In addition, it's also possible that, just like in the case of Shiva, that the original entity was not at all some grandiose powerful being and was instead someone much more normal. Just with time and idolization elevating their status to create the ideas that now take the form of the Primals. Which is the case for Garuda, whom was an Allagan general in charge of the Ixalion units (Whom where the successful creations of the Ixal, whom had wings. Since the species was created by the Allagans, with the Ixali being failures)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalise View Post
    the Ixalion units (Whom where the successful creations of the Ixal, whom had wings. Since the species was created by the Allagans, with the Ixali being failures)
    My understanding is that the Ixal are descendants of the Allagan Ixalions, rather than rejects, and lost their wings to evolution since that time.
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