Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

But they do show male characters showing skin - they simply do it where it would be acceptable for them to wear little. For example in Dalmasca/Ivalice - it's extremely hot - they live in a desert, so the male protags tend to wear loose fitting clothes which expose the skin. Like Vaan for example who has his abdomen exposed. In FF14 a lot of male Highlanders have their upper chest exposed due to the weather of Ala Mhigo - this is the same in Little Ala Mhigo as well. This behaviour of loose-fitting clothing is mirrored in ul'dah to some extent. However, in the cities they're more likely to be covered for cultural standards as the clothing they wear in Ul'dah signifies their wealth.

So, in a humid environment, the Viera are more likely to wear clothes that are minimal. This is very likely for the males as well. We've seen that the Viera's armour is actually rather Aztec/Mayan in style - so be prepared for the males to wear something loose fitting. The males gear more than likely made of leathers, bone and sinew rather than metal and cotton that take more time to prepare and weave. The males will not have access to armouries, etc since they're nomadic and don't have 'homes'. While the females have access to these things.

This has nothing to do with them being scared to do so. You're just not going to have a random half naked protag/race for no reason.

Let's also not forget those skimpy outfits some of the males in Shisui of the Violet tides wear, as well as the Buduga tribal outfit.

[Gula]

Let's also not forget those skimpy outfits some of the males in Shisui of the Violet tides wear, as well as the Buduga tribal outfit.

Buduga bois are the epitome of sexism. They flaunt their bodies to say, "Men are superior, the male form is strength." Now, I'm not saying this as a means of complaining nor trying to push an agenda. It's just fact. Roegadyn wear clothing that show off their muscles because muscles though. I don't think scantly clad bunny boys would be doing this for the same reasons.

Many people seem to revel in fanservice but then are the first to point the finger because it's currently female only. And oh? Whatever happened to that female Hrothgar thread? Lost to the lifestream because it's quite blatant some people got tired of pretending to care.

[Lauront]

Buduga bois are the epitome of sexism. They flaunt their bodies to say, "Men are superior, the male form is strength." Now, I'm not saying this as a means of complaining nor trying to push an agenda. It's just fact. Roegadyn wear clothing that show off their muscles because muscles though. I don't think scantly clad bunny boys would be doing this for the same reasons. .

Doesn't sound like sexism, to me. Just an acknowledgement of the fact that the females are physically less imposing. Their entire tribal concept is to capitalise on that given how the Xaela political system is set up, i.e. trial by combat.

[Theodric]

Doesn't sound like sexism, to me. Just an acknowledgement of the fact that the females are physically less imposing.

There's a tribe of Xaela that consists solely of women, too, which balances things out.

That aside, I hold the firm belief that fictional races in fictional settings do not need to conform to modern day standards of morality.

[Gula]

Doesn't sound like sexism, to me. Just an acknowledgement of the fact that the females are physically less imposing. Their entire tribal concept is to capitalise on that given how the Xaela political system is set up, i.e. trial by combat.

No, it's literally sexism. Run the steppe quests as a woman. Different dialog.

[Senn]

No, it's literally sexism. Run the steppe quests as a woman. Different dialog.

What does the dialogue say?

[Gula]

What does the dialogue say?

To summarize some instances, one of the Buduga says "shame you are a woman" despite showing a test of strength and the Kahn outright says "We have naught to discuss, woman."

Yeah, their lines are extremely 'what the heck' but the argument that they wear more revealing clothes has nothing to do with sexism.

My post seems to have triggered some people with buzz words and I am clarifying that it does not make sense to put male viera in skimpy clothing for no reason. The Buduga were mentioned, and I explained why it makes sense for them to dress as they do. And they do it to show off the superior (in their minds) male form.

[zeylos]

To summarize some instances, one of the Buduga says "shame you are a woman" despite showing a test of strength and the Kahn outright says "We have naught to discuss, woman."

I get your point entirely. I suffered a lot because of sexism and not being a 'true man', and those lines are quite disgusting. Woman can be stronger than 90% of men, and ppl should really acknowledge that imo

What even is your argument at this point? Even in this game, the most muscle developed female highlander has less biceps than a defined male midlander.

My point is that this game is a fantasy, and 99% of men dont have a six pac, huge abs or biceps, or are super ripped, in fact, most men look more like k-pop idols than higlanders, and some woman are stronger than most men. I know that women have less muscle mass, but that also makes no sense to use as an argument for a fantasy game on wehre we have bunny ppl with immobile ears attached to them and catgirls in anime schoolgirl outfits wearing an axe and defeating dragons. I'm just saying that I did feel offended by some comments made on this thread, but I won't continue this discussion further to avoid hurting more. I just wanna say that some things that for you might not be a big deal, hurt others

[Lauront]

Ok, just how many men do u think are into body building or are that strong? Most men look like elezen, or even slimmer, unless you go to hollywood that is. Most women look like female elezen (with human proportions) and then, you'd be surprised to see how many woman are that, or more strong and how many men are that, or more weak. Then, this is simply a fantasy game. Do you think we'd have a race of giant children with moustaches and elf ears otherwise?

So many facepalms with this one.

You're resorting to the "fantasy game" line when you're bringing in imagery of real life humans into this - which besides not being reflective of how sex differences between humans function (i.e. they mean nothing as to the differences in attributes between sexes on average, and even less when you're comparing apples to apples), are not remotely relevant to the Xaela, who by and large lead lives dominated by physical combat... the size difference between Xaela males and females is even more pronounced than RL human females and males.

Another issue here is the "but it's fantasy" thing doesn't eclipse certain realities: 1) more often than not, it takes time and resource investment to train someone up in a class or job and 2) magically augmented gear which may help augment one's characteristics is not free, either. The former of these is where child-birthing/rearing can become a liability.

To summarize some instances, one of the Buduga says "shame you are a woman" despite showing a test of strength and the Kahn outright says "We have naught to discuss, woman."

Yes, I am sure they will be in a rush to adjust their ways because some black swan with the Echo and Blessing of Light showed up - which makes absolutely no difference to the rationale for following the strategy they do.

[Gwenorai]

No, it's literally sexism. Run the steppe quests as a woman. Different dialog.

Yeah, their lines are extremely 'what the heck' but the argument that they wear more revealing clothes has nothing to do with sexism. Unless one of them literally blurts out 'We dress like this to show off the male form, your female form is weak,' and then proceeds to flex. Especially when I remember one of them also saying they'd accept you if you were a male, which was like okay buddy, but then they go back and say that even then you would thoroughly kick their asses - for which I nodded in satisfaction.

Still unsure why the male-only tribe being near naked was brought up as sexism as if it's being put forward that a male Viera not wearing a full body latex suit is sexist if they're revealing the apex of the male form.