Suggestion: Close Raid Roulete Loophole (Using low ilevel to force low level raids)

[Amnmaat]

The thing with trials is they're usually one and done and no reason to ever run them a second time. The majority of trials you'll ever do in roulette are the ones related to the MSQ. Not getting the Four Lords (optional side quest btw) doesn't mean anything in the slightest.

Tsukuyomi and Shinryu aren't the Four lords though. Moreover, as long as they're looking into these loopholes they should seal them, they don't align with the purpose of the roulette.

[GenericMagus]

I can understand why people would want to intentionally ilv drop considering how most content past lv 50 is bound to be more difficult and less rewarding to the person, and especially in the case of 24 raids anything past the first two are far more likelier to end in wipes and abandons, so I can see why people would intentionally do this.

[GenericMagus]

Not to say it's right, it is a loophole but when you make harder content or stuff that's more mechnically intense, people are going to try to turn to other solutions to avoid drama, wasted time, dealing with difficult situations. The times I been in Dun Scaith in 4.0+ or Mhach and the wipes and possible abandons have been more than in HW, though that is anecdotal evidence.

[CorbinDallas]

Tsukuyomi and Shinryu aren't the Four lords though. Moreover, as long as they're looking into these loopholes they should seal them, they don't align with the purpose of the roulette.

You're right, but they still won't pop up as much as other MSQ related trials, because shock horror there are more players below level 70 than at level cap. It has always been this way.

[Avidria]

That said, I didn't get Dun Scaith a whole lot, but I'd say 1/4 of all my Alliance raids were either Void Ark or Wiping City, until a couple months ago, and now this last month it's dropped to never.

Yeah if I do get one of the Mhach series, it's almost always Void Ark
I think I've gotten Weeping city once, maybe twice
Those runs did take longer, and holy heck my first Dun Scaith run was AWFUL, but I love those raids and enjoy them a lot more than running Syrcus Tower for the 800th time even if it is easier

To the topic, I actually didn't realize that taking gear off to get lower level raids was a thing lol ... I just assumed it was because more people were at lower levels, and/or there were just less people who even had the 60 raids unlocked. It sucks but I've just kind of accepted it at this point :P Can't say I'd mind more variety, though, however they could go about making that happen

[Amnmaat]

Yeah if I do get one of the Mhach series, it's almost always Void Ark
I think I've gotten Weeping city once, maybe twice
Those runs did take longer, and holy heck my first Dun Scaith run was AWFUL, but I love those raids and enjoy them a lot more than running Syrcus Tower for the 800th time even if it is easier

To the topic, I actually didn't realize that taking gear off to get lower level raids was a thing lol ... I just assumed it was because more people were at lower levels, and/or there were just less people who even had the 60 raids unlocked. It sucks but I've just kind of accepted it at this point :P Can't say I'd mind more variety, though, however they could go about making that happen

I remember when there was a problem with pulling bosses early which got resolved because someone asked for it to be fixed. A lot of people were against it but now you get teleported into the boss fight. The community will resist everything, but game design requires an understanding of what's fair to everyone and they saw that then and I expect for them to see it now as well.

You're right, but they still won't pop up as much as other MSQ related trials, because shock horror there are more players below level 70 than at level cap. It has always been this way.

I'm talking about the loophole, it should be closed; but Alliance raid roulette should take priority in this regard.

[WaterShield]

I remember when there was a problem with pulling bosses early which got resolved because of a community suggestion where a few people asked for something to be done. A lot of people were against it but now you get teleported into the boss fight. The community will resist everything, but game design requires and understanding of what's fair to everyone and they saw that then and I expect for them to see it now as well.


I'm talking about the loophole, it should be closed; but Alliance raid roulette should take priority in this regard.

Why is this a problem?

[alimdia]

I doubt nearly enough people are doing this to affect things negatively. Your queue is slow because there are far more players doing this roulette that are under 69 and under 59 than those at 60 or 70. Remember it's not level capped people doing alliance roulette, it's mostly players who want exp, and level 70 raids can't be done on alt jobs that need exp.

In my experience mentor roulette tends to be the one that feeds Ivalice raids.

[Rabin]

I have no more interest in doing the L60 and L70 raids owing to the bad groups I have experienced. Went with an FC friend recently, got a L70 Alliance raid - we blacklisted 5 of the 6 other players in our group afterwards because they were THAT bad. The shiny mentor crowns should have given us a clue as to what we were in for. Multiple wipes because they couldn't do basic mechanics. Failed dps checks because they couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. 19 other people suffering repeating content again and again because of these players.

This was not an isolated incident.

I only Q for L50 raids now. The ShB Trust system sounds heavenly...

[FallenArisen0990]

I really don't see the issue, I still get tomes and exp regardless of what raid I do. If you wanna do the current tier ones, just queue for them like normal. It's not like you can override the iLv sync cap anyways.

This happens because theres people queuing for the first three for mog tomes. not as many people are unequiping as you think.

Exactly.