We are in need of a official response to the healer situation

[Deceptus]

He wasn’t disrespectful, but telling the truth. And every time there is a change someone somewhere screams bloody murder before trying it. That’s why he laughed. The don’t care about the reactions at the moment because the majority has not played the content yet. Once players get a chance to sink their teeth into things and can give detailed reasons based on actual performance will they listen. Those are the numbers that they will care about. They will look at that feedback and compare it to their plans and adjust then if they feel it is necessary. It’s just the way all mmo’s do it. Doesn’t mean they don’t make bad decisions at times, but it is the way it works.

He'd be taken much more seriously if the past two expansions, healers didn't get boned. AST extremely weak at HW start, and WHM/SCH major issues at SB start.

He'd be taken much more seriously if the past expansion and this one we didn't the the "We can't have a new healer because we have to balance the ones we've got" Mind you that's 4 years now of that excuse going to go on 6 years.

So yeah, when he laughs and says "Just trust us", Yoshi and his team have lost my trust and they have yet to earn it back.

Regarding your last point, please see note 3. Because this is exactly where the FFXIV has come to.

[Brightamethyst]

And every time there is a change someone somewhere screams bloody murder before trying it.

True, but especially when it comes to healers, there are several expansions worth of precedent here and historically the people "screaming bloody murder before trying it" have been right.

[Tharne]

He'd be taken much more seriously if the past two expansions, healers didn't get boned. AST extremely weak at HW start, and WHM/SCH major issues at SB start.

For the AST part, in almost every game ever when a new class/character comes out (even for games with PTR) it's either extremely weak or extremely OP. So I wouldn't count that against them.

[ForteNightshade]

What feedback, specifically? There's this neat thing people like to do, which is - remember what they were right about and forget what they were wrong about. And here we are today, remembering how right everyone was pre-Stormblood.

Now let me ask you this ... As a result of feedback:

Did anything change about lillies before Stormblood launch?
Did anything change about lillies after Stormblood launch?

No, actually. Lilies remained near completely worthless the whole expansion—so much so new WHMs were told to just move the gauge somewhere hidden and ignore it. Regardless, you keep arguing in fallacies. Just because something was changed eventually does not absolve criticism. It should not have taken two years to address Machinist; those issues making it the least popular job by a considerable margin. This sets a precedence, which we can indeed call back on. A real life equivalent would be that friend who always says they will do such and such a thing yet never do—or they do it only after being hounded at constantly for months and months. After a while, do you still ask them to do you favors or do you deem then unreliable based on precedence? Welcome to how people feel regarding FFXIV. The dev team has a notorious history of either delaying changes for ages or stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the issues... until they wind up caving anyway.

People aren't referencing Stormblood to say "Neener, neener, I was right! See?! I wIn ThE InTeWeBs!!!!!!" They're pointing to the aforementioned precedence set to explain why they no longer have confidence they changes will happen. Or if they do, it won't happen with any haste.

[Deceptus]

People aren't referencing Stormblood to say "Neener, neener, I was right! See?! I wIn ThE InTeWeBs!!!!!!" They're pointing to the aforementioned precedence set to explain why they no longer have confidence they changes will happen. Or if they do, it won't happen with any haste.

Exactly. I don't want to have to call back to SE's mistakes. I wish they hadn't made them in the first place. But for everyone who says "Wait and See" I can point to 2.0 Warrior, and 3.0 Bard / AST, and 4.0 WHM / SCH / MCH / DRK (and monk a bit).

If you look a pattern starts to develop that shows this problem is getting WORSE, and not BETTER. Sebazy's Thread is really hitting the nail on the head. The job numbers are expanding and complexity is expanding and they only have 4 people to work on every job in the game.

SE generally does a GOOD job balancing. But when they mess up, they do so in spades. It shouldn't take a whole entire expansion to fix a problem for any job.

[Feidam]

He'd be taken much more seriously if the past two expansions, healers didn't get boned. AST extremely weak at HW start, and WHM/SCH major issues at SB start.

He'd be taken much more seriously if the past expansion and this one we didn't the the "We can't have a new healer because we have to balance the ones we've got" Mind you that's 4 years now of that excuse going to go on 6 years.

So yeah, when he laughs and says "Just trust us", Yoshi and his team have lost my trust and they have yet to earn it back.

Regarding your last point, please see note 3. Because this is exactly where the FFXIV has come to.

Hate to say this, but maybe you need a break from the game. I say this not to be snarky, but based on your posts the development team appear to be in a no win situation unless you get what you want. If you are truly this unhappy and you know based on past events things are not going to change the way you want them to, why further frustrate yourself? There is no conspiracy against healers, but it is quite possible that the direction they wish to take the healers is not a direction you are ok with going. Nothing wrong with that. But when all evidence shows the game growing and you are posting how the devs have a lack of knowledge etc and ffxiv is on it’s way to failure pretty sure based on my experience with gaming it might be time for a change of pace.

I mean can you list reasons that make you happy with the game?

Maybe the new direction of the healers means time for a new class? I say this as someone that had his favorite class changed from what he loved to not fun at the beginning of Stormblood. There could happy for you elsewhere in ffxiv or another game since their development style and opinions are not going to change. They want play experience before feedback. Just something to think about. Again I was not trying to be rude or snarky just thought provoking.

[Feidam]

True, but especially when it comes to healers, there are several expansions worth of precedent here and historically the people "screaming bloody murder before trying it" have been right.

But this fits my point. Even if right those screaming bloody murder did not overly change much. Their system was in place for the expansion. They tweaked it here and there, but it was there. We know what we got and the odds of them changing anything prior to launch is nil. I’m all for stating ones case, but then do what they ask back it up with facts from gameplay. Then move on if they do nothing. Another class, another game something. This is a game let it be fun for you. If not make changes you can make, because we are not changing how they develop the game.

Personally, my opinion is still out on this one. I dislike what was removed from my scholar, but the additions could be nice. Also, things might not be as bad as they look if content actually starts increasing the hps checks. I wouldn’t expect a stark difference right at launch though. They tend not to like to jar people. So it could be ok or it could be I no longer heal in ffxiv.

[Wilford111]

I don't know why everyone is saying 4.0 WHM is a failure. It's my main and I enjoy it a lot.

[Brandedblade]

Hate to say this, but maybe you need a break from the game. I say this not to be snarky, but based on your posts the development team appear to be in a no win situation unless you get what you want. If you are truly this unhappy and you know based on past events things are not going to change the way you want them to, why further frustrate yourself? There is no conspiracy against healers, but it is quite possible that the direction they wish to take the healers is not a direction you are ok with going. Nothing wrong with that. But when all evidence shows the game growing and you are posting how the devs have a lack of knowledge etc and ffxiv is on it’s way to failure pretty sure based on my experience with gaming it might be time for a change of pace.

I mean can you list reasons that make you happy with the game?

Maybe the new direction of the healers means time for a new class? I say this as someone that had his favorite class changed from what he loved to not fun at the beginning of Stormblood. There could happy for you elsewhere in ffxiv or another game since their development style and opinions are not going to change. They want play experience before feedback. Just something to think about. Again I was not trying to be rude or snarky just thought provoking.

I'm seconding your statement.

[althenawhm]

"I dont like to see any negativity around here, so please leave"
No, that is not healthy for discussion or the game.