Scholar notes from E3 build - Titania Fight

[PaulH]

Do I really need to play to

a) see that the dps rotation are 2 buttons for single target and 1 for aoe?
b) see the lack of diversity in ast cards?
c) see how the new lilly is a dps loss? (I mean 300 potency glare x4=1200 potency, 3 cures+new lilly attack=900 potency, 1200>900, basic maths)
d) see how there isnt a single aetherflow dumpster in all Sch's kit that doesnt require healing? (Just read the tooltips and tell me if there is an aetherflow skill that does not heal)

The answer is no, you dont need to wait to see those problems because if youre half decent at your job they're OBVIOUS and if you cant see them without playing you simply are not good at your job.

Again the attitude of "Wait til X" is just a try to fool oneself, an attitude that does not fit a forum where we are supposed to give feedback

Still speculation and you dont possess the full facts. Anyway like I said i suspect you're probably right but I dont agree currently until i see tangibility. Please dont tell me how I need to post and this thread isn't purely feedback

[WaxSw]

Still speculation and you dont possess the full facts. Anyway like I said i suspect you're probably right but I dont agree currently until i see tangibility. Please dont tell me how I need to post and this thread isn't purely feedback

Speculation:"the activity of guessing possible answers to a question without having enough information to be certain" Sorry but the tooltips are all the information that one does need to answer all of those questions, so no, its not speculation, they're problems that need to be called out.

[PaulH]

I don't see you going to all the tank forum posts or the DPS forums and posting there about their feedback on the tooltips, videos, etc that have been released. So, you'd better get busy. I'm sure they'd love to hear your advice, too.

Well just rudeness again because I dont agree with your opinion, wow, that says a lot. I have merely stated I want to see a basic dungeon, raid, primal at 80 with a group and all out kits and see how our healer kits work with tangible data as enix will have to do something as we all switch as I am not using a boring job to play. But i want to try.

[Reiryuu]

Well just rudeness again because I dont agree with your opinion, wow, that says a lot. I have merely stated I want to see a basic dungeon, raid, primal at 80 with a group and all out kits and see how our healer kits work with tangible data as enix will have to do as we all switch as I am not using a boring job. But i want to try.

Rudeness? To point out that you are saying WE can't use the tooltips to draw conclusions about our jobs, but that the tanks and DPS can? Why do you feel the need to criticize us and not them?

[PaulH]

Speculation:"the activity of guessing possible answers to a question without having enough information to be certain" Sorry but the tooltips are all the information that one does need to answer all of those questions, so no, its not speculation, they're problems that need to be called out.

indeed and accurate but aren't we just hoping the NPC's just thwack alot more and that is what i want to see with all out kit?

[PaulH]

Rudeness? To point out that you are saying WE can't use the tooltips to draw conclusions about our jobs, but that the tanks and DPS can? Why do you feel the need to criticize us and not them?

You are just rude because you wont allow people a voice and are mean with it.

[SaberMaxwell]

You are just rude because you wont allow people a voice and are mean with it.

She's not denying you a voice, she's challenging your claims.

[PaulH]

She's not denying you a voice, she's challenging your claims.

agreed there but the point about DPS, Tank forums not necessary.

We are entitled to opinions and challenges andcan be kinder to each other and be respectful. Anyway my opinion remains we dont have full data at 80 and that is all.

[SaberMaxwell]

We'll agree to disagree about that being denying you a voice; I see that more as questioning a double standard that seems to be prevalent here, in that dps and tanks are (much like healers) speculating what their rotations will be based on given tooltips. Entire rotations for several jobs have already been mathed out, and yes there is already some suggested changes; Nemekh, for example, already pointed out some serious problems if SMN were to be released in its pre-Alpha state; Red Mages know what they will and will not be getting in the final build of the game as well, and this has caused some to mourn the loss of abilities they wished they could have kept. These examples are both of people looking at tooltips we have available to us, and giving feedback based on knowledge of what the changes themselves mean even if we haven't been able to play the jobs at 80 yet.

We have practically full data at 80. Potencies are subject to change, but they're not going to overhaul abilities between an alpha build and final release. They won't suddenly add back in SCH's dots (as an example), and if they do I'll be colored very surprised and myself cede on that point. People have a very good guess at what the game will look like at 80 based on the tooltips we've been given; this is through combination of tooltips and experience at the game as it currently exists.

Tooltips aren't suggestions of what the ability could be. They're point-blank descriptions of what abilities are.

[Reiryuu]

You are just rude because you wont allow people a voice and are mean with it.

Mr. Pot, I would sadly have to inform you that you are black, too. I'm not telling you to stop talking until level 80. I'm telling you to spread your message to the tanks and DPS forums because otherwise you are subjecting us to a double standard. A substandard. That our opinions from the same sources of information do not matter. A feeling that many of us feel that the dev team is supressing us with as it is. So please, go. Tell the Tank forums to stop speculating until 80. Tell the DPS to stop discussing their changes until they are 80. By all means spread your message to everyone who will listen. But if you're not going to tell them to wait in silence, do not do so to us.