I asked a GM to clarify the new rules regarding hunts and early pulling

[kikix12]

Except that's not obstruction of game play by another player. That's game design that generates rewards based on party participation and not individual player participation.

Except...the solo player, if the hunt would not be reset, would get the reward because he did the same thing already.

Context is EVERYTHING when dealing with any contest over everything. A solo player not getting credit because parties outdamage him is perfectly fine. A solo player not getting credit because the parties could outdamage him only due to resetting his work is absolutely not fine and is obstruction of gameplay because it prevents a player from receiving something they did already earn.

On those rare occasions it's not, partial reward is still better than none at all.

And it's still worse than the full reward. I know, this is self-centered argument. But think about it. Unless there is some sort of fixed limit to how many "parties" can be given credit, everyone could get the full credit by everyone going solo. At that point, it means that if the player that happened to find the hunt (or maybe even spawned it) and attacked it early loses his guaranteed full reward due to a reset it is already, logically speaking, a detriment to their play.


It's really simple all in all. Pulling hunts solo is allowed, and so because that's what mobs are for. If they were intended to be shared it'd be impossible to attack them solo. Resetting a mob is not allowed because it's not a part of gameplay, it's made strictly to waste another persons time and effort. Literally. It's very purpose is exactly that, to reset any result of a persons actions.

[Floortank9000]

I'm a fairly casual player and haven't been playing long, got the game after the Monster Hunter Crossover, Ive leveled a job to 70 and was running with a friend doing fates in Limsa, a hunt monster spawned literally next to me while i was goofing around with PLD and aggroed, i had no idea there was a hunting party waiting to grab this thing. TLDR I got yelled at for pulling a hunt monster i didn't even realize was there, they were talking about mass reporting me. Im slightly concerned as I dont want to server transfer since most of my mates are here. I guess im just posting this to vent and also get an idea if i should feel bad, or what I should do in the future. Im not even fully aware of "hunt etiquette" like i said im pretty much a fresh bab.

also this is my first post, sorry for the text wall

[Wolwosh]

So many topics about hunts on this forum ...

[Dustytome]

I'm a fairly casual player and haven't been playing long, got the game after the Monster Hunter Crossover, Ive leveled a job to 70 and was running with a friend doing fates in Limsa, a hunt monster spawned literally next to me while i was goofing around with PLD and aggroed, i had no idea there was a hunting party waiting to grab this thing. TLDR I got yelled at for pulling a hunt monster i didn't even realize was there, they were talking about mass reporting me. Im slightly concerned as I dont want to server transfer since most of my mates are here. I guess im just posting this to vent and also get an idea if i should feel bad, or what I should do in the future. Im not even fully aware of "hunt etiquette" like i said im pretty much a fresh bab.

also this is my first post, sorry for the text wall

As long as you didn't start hurling insults or doing anything to 'get back at them', they can mass report all they want. Making a false report will go against them, not you.

[Avidria]

Same.

The spawners spend a lot of time and effort and sometimes gil getting the S ranks to spawn. Then they are courteous enough to call the hunt and share it with the server. Then sometime shows up while people are still arriving to the hunt you spent an hour or more getting to spawn and kills it in a way that the rest of the people you did that for can't get a hit in.

I've actually had it happen where I was in a hunt train, spent hours actually hunting, had someone in my group find a hunt, in the zone I was already in... and it died before I got to it. :///

I feel like they could spare people a lot of misery by making it so instead of a S rank spawning immediately after its condition is fulfilled, it instead creates some kind of marker on the spot where it's due to spawn, then it'll actually appear a few minutes later.

This both prevents random passersby from getting ganked by sudden hunt spawns and gives people more time to locate the thing before it's potentially pulled.

Honestly I'd really prefer something like this. Slap a timer on it so the game decides when it can be killed, and there's 1) more time for people to get there and 2) less room to complain if you didn't get there in time (imo) since the timer isn't chosen by a player. Not perfect, but better than what we have now imo.

[Jeeqbit]

a hunt monster spawned literally next to me while i was goofing around with PLD and aggroed, i had no idea there was a hunting party waiting to grab this thing. TLDR I got yelled at for pulling a hunt monster i didn't even realize was there, they were talking about mass reporting me.

They shouldn't judge someone to be an "early puller" if they've only done it once. Regardless, "early pulling" is not currently believed to be a reportable offense. There are plenty more hunts for them.

[kidalutz]

I'm a fairly casual player and haven't been playing long, got the game after the Monster Hunter Crossover, Ive leveled a job to 70 and was running with a friend doing fates in Limsa, a hunt monster spawned literally next to me while i was goofing around with PLD and aggroed, i had no idea there was a hunting party waiting to grab this thing. TLDR I got yelled at for pulling a hunt monster i didn't even realize was there, they were talking about mass reporting me. Im slightly concerned as I dont want to server transfer since most of my mates are here. I guess im just posting this to vent and also get an idea if i should feel bad, or what I should do in the future. Im not even fully aware of "hunt etiquette" like i said im pretty much a fresh bab.

also this is my first post, sorry for the text wall

You'll be fine.Most people that threaten reports are just blowing hot air and quickly loose steam when they either cant figure out how to make a report or start making the report and realise how ludicrous it sounds when its typed out.

[Dreufo]

My question through this whole thing is, how do you clearly define early pulling?

It can’t just be that somebody aggroes before everyone is ready; although it is nice when they wait. In order for there to be a hard and fast rule about this it would have to be based on agreed upon parameters. This is the real reason why early pulling doesn’t exist.
Pre-pulling on the other hand..

[Gallus]

Early pulling one hunt won't ever get you banned. Doing it repeteadly with the sole aim to grief others and constantly make fun via the shout chat of those who didn't make it in time might get you in trouble though. Not because of early pulling, but because you are being a jerk. I've seen some people do it repeteadly and I even saw someone in the past tank the hunts behind rocks and walls so that people would constantly get LoS.

[ACE135]

My question through this whole thing is, how do you clearly define early pulling?

It can’t just be that somebody aggroes before everyone is ready; although it is nice when they wait. In order for there to be a hard and fast rule about this it would have to be based on agreed upon parameters. This is the real reason why early pulling doesn’t exist.
Pre-pulling on the other hand..

Early pulling would be when you attack the hunt before it has even spawned I guess.